Handmaidens

[Terfulike]

I seem to be coming across these people more and more in the last week or so. Admittedly the video I describe below is 8 months old.

However, there are definitely more numerous postings/videos from young females (of the traditional type) who are trying to educate us GC Radfems about being too exclusionary, if you catch my drift, as such types as us may be physically threatening... no examples given.

My reason for posting is that one just got my goat quite big time (clip clip clopping across the bridge of reason).

This young person of the type traditionally (although admittedly not currently) referred to as female, or even young woman, (though obviously not these days - I acknowledge that these are considered by most Britons to be archaic terms - please forgive my usage mn) was describing people of the type who post on this particular site who are a bit exclusionary wink wink catch my drift with great disdain.

Anyway said person said that the word "lesbian" is basically an "uncomfortable" word with "*exclusionary connotations" and is "just wierd". Hmmmmm what did someone say about erasure?

Moreover GC Radfems are said by said vlogerette to be in positions of great power and influence these days ready to turn the heads of gullible young feminists in completely inappropriate directions.

Further, said person claims any discussions of paralegal philandering (quick crossword clue) are utterly ridiculous!

This highly commended video ends with scoffing at ideas of the f body being at all relevant to feminism.

Apologies if this has been discused before.

(apologies, she's actually advertising hormonal contraception that you can buy through an uberstyle app, Crikey, seems a bit unsafe - what happened to getting your blood pressure checked with your pill script? Is that not a thing anymore?)

DJLippy - yeah, I think that's fair enough. There's definitely a "they are old and past it" vibe. Reminds me of me in the 1980s arguing with my old hippy mum. Which backs up your Oedipus complex theory!

I think 'Marinashutup' must've learned biology from Wakame.

Handmaiden is what Feminists have often called women who subscribe to the 5th rule of misogyny: Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

They are simply women who have not yet unpacked a lifetime of misogynist conditioning and so they serve men first and foremost.

I suppose you can ask Mumsnet to ban the word so that we have to give detailed descriptions of the behavior that is encapsulated in the term. I think you would like that less than you do the word itself.

How much more obvious could 'cool-girl' eating up the cookies be?

For me a handmaiden is a woman who has actively chosen to collude with men/misogyny/the patriarchy for her own advantage.

Agree. Many are multi colour haired young women who want to be with the woke dudebro group. What saddens me the most, many of these women will be used then tossed aside when of no further use. At the moment as they are natal women they are suiting the TA perfectly. When it all comes crashing down and they have been party to what the TA want, it's going to hit them all hard.

When it all comes crashing down and they have been party to what the TA want, it's going to hit them all hard

Brexit's ongoing omni-shambles has done wonders for Brexiteer humility eh?

I love it when we disagree about the connotations of the words we use.
I assume ignorance in my definition which is criticized as denying agency, while you ascribe malicious self interest which I guess is just fine with those who advocate for agency.

DJLippy Sorry?

Wow, Betty, marinashutup is an absolute piece of work. Starting off with the whole T**fs are horrible people for insisting that biology matters, and then having the brass neck to say that you can call yourself by any term you like and it is entirely wrong for people to give you a label you don't like. But like, only if you're trans/NB/unicorn etc.

And what the hell was she trying to say when she was insisting that everyone knows man means male and woman means female? Well, yes, we know. That's what we're trying to tell you...

I have seen a lot of YouTube via my kids, however these offerings are new to me. But the siren call never changes. It's always bollocks stats, groundless claims, appropriating intersex and an inability to make rational points. Astounding.

And yes, there is no sense of the wide-eyed ingenue here, these are articulate women who have quite deliberately saddled themselves to a counter-factual ideology and they get a very deep psychological reward for subjugating themselves and throwing other women under the bus. I recognise it very clearly from my days in cultish Christianity.

Actually, when I ran through the green haired one's video again, I got really pissed off. What kind of fucking feminist talks about other women's sexual boundaries like that? It's transphobic for lesbians to turn down men who identify as women? Rank homophobia and rapey with it.

The woman's not just a handmaiden. She's a total shit too.

FloralBunting do you think we could get Magdalen Berns to make a response video to Marinashutup?

Betty, the very idea has me rubbing my thighs like Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer She'd have her for breakfast, and all with that fabulously dry delivery.

These things really do need dissecting and pulling apart. So many young people are lapping it up, and Magdalen's clear sighted appraisals of the lies and the cutesy slick packaging are tremendously important.

The discussion in the comments is way way better than that actual first video!

I have no patience left for these young women bashing Lesbians for saying no to sex with anyone who wants to fuck them. 2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime
They have been at it on tumbler for years, and are partly responsible for there being so few Lesbians left in what used to be the LGBT community on college campuses.

It would be unfair if I did not point out that many of these young women do see the error of their ways and apologize to the women they demonized in the past.

Lol @ 'trans women do not experience uterus based sexism, but they do experience all the other kinds'

@thebewilderness

'It would be unfair if I did not point out that many of these young women do see the error of their ways and apologize to the women they demonized in the past.'

Can I ask how this change of opinion usually comes about, do they say why they change their views?

'Biological sex has only minor things to do with our body, because most of the ways it affects us are caused by hormones.'

If the young woman who wrote that ^ ever experiences childbirth, I suspect she may have a radical rethink!

Can I ask how this change of opinion usually comes about, do they say why they change their views?

From reading the T**F blogs that they are told to avoid. From listening to women and having what they say resonate. Same as the consciousness raising that happens here.

I prefer to think of these clueless young women as Aunts. Like the Aunts in the handmaid’s tale. They are traitors to their own sex as far as I’m concerned.

Most of them are just daft, clueless and desperate for approval. But some, like MP Stella Creasy, do get it but are prepared to sell their fellow women down the river anyway. For virtue cookies.

There’s a special place in hell for women who fuck over other women like this.

I should also add that these Aunts do not see what we see. That the men they are colluding with and falling over themselves to defend actually fucking hate them.

So many interesting comments! I like the idea of calling them Aunts instead. Tell me more about Stella Creasy - you really think she gets it but colludes in any case? How could someone do that.

Tell me more about Stella Creasy - you really think she gets it but colludes in any case? How could someone do that.

Yes, an Aunt.

That the men they are colluding with and falling over themselves to defend actually fucking hate them.

Yes, some men do fucking hate them and enjoy watching an Aunt attack a woman.

I don't believe in hell. I do believe in an eternal nothing for certain people.

There’s a special place in hell for women who fuck over other women like this.