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3 strikes and you're out

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spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 13:33

Sorry to start this thread but I'm livid. I'm beyond livid to be fair.

I'm now on strike two and have been warned my posting privilege is at risk.

The reason for this thread is; please don't take the new guidelines at face value. I got a strike today for calling a man who presents as a woman a name NOT on the banned list. Obviously now I can't say what it was, I am effectively gagged.

I now have six weeks of no free speech until the strikes I have are wiped - again effectively gagged.

So, you won't see me much as I will NOT refer to men who present as women as the names we are allowed to call them, so will end up banned. I will post bland banal comments that can't offend any sensibilities here and let rip elsewhere where free speech is encouraged.

PLEASE, please, watch your words or MN will use this as a reason the close the FWR board.

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AntiqueOlive · 18/06/2018 21:22

no problem pom

antihero1 · 18/06/2018 21:23

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Mogleflop · 18/06/2018 21:24

Ignore the troll y'all Grin

pombear · 18/06/2018 21:25

balls (hope you don't mind the name shortening!)

Regardless of the screenshots being available, I think a lot of people have experienced/seen/heard similar. It doesn't sound odd or unusual.

That's why we're here. That's why we're surrounding you and others with love and acceptance of what you experienced. And Flowers to Mogle too - if that's OK. I hated flowers around me when I had my miscarriages, so apologies if they're shit!

Beachcomber · 18/06/2018 21:25

spontaneousgiventime. I totally get your point and I respect it.

I feel the same way. But I think we have to also respect HD's extremely difficult position.

It's all very well to be an anonymous poster in a deeply political discussion but it's another thing altogether to be the non anonymous host of that discussion.

I'm furious too. But not with HQ. Let us remember that they are women too and I really believe they are doing their best in impossible circumstances. We can only imagine the pressure they are under.

Solidarity.

GardenGeek · 18/06/2018 21:28

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Weezol · 18/06/2018 21:28

There is a thread titled 'Weaponsising The Complaints Process' in Feminist Chat. It really gets to the bottom of the sort of behaviour displayed by persistent, vexatious complainants and brigading. It really opened my eyes and is well worth reading in light of recent events.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 21:30

Its 'you're' not your

(Sorry mogle)

pombear · 18/06/2018 21:34

ya'll, you're, your, yaw, yahw, yawn (oh no, not that one, that'll get a delete!) yo, yohore.

Yer mam!

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 21:35

OMG pom said yawn

Shock
spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:37

GardenGeek If it wasn't so un mumsnetty I would hug you but I'll fist bump you instead.

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FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 21:40

"Yer mam" snort!!!

(And in addition to the illiteracy, it seems our new addition is also disablist. No surprise there. In my experience this sort of plopper seems curiously blind to disablism, sexism, racism, in fact anything that isn't "transphobia".)

ballsballsballs · 18/06/2018 21:41

I got a PM from our erudite visitor.

Apparently I'm a bad person and Karma will get me. How very delightful.

pombear · 18/06/2018 21:41

Yep. I did. So sue me! Delete me! Yawn accidentally crept in there whilst I was trying to defy Rufus's frankly exclusionary definitions of 'you're'. Course it didn't mean 'yawn, ffs'!

Hey, Rufus - try these:

You'se
All you
y'ins (huh?)
yiz (apparently Scottish!)
yous
youz
you-uns
yunz
yuns

TerfsUp · 18/06/2018 21:45

To the excellent list put together by pombear, I would add all y'all and alla yiz.

ballsballsballs · 18/06/2018 21:46

Folx?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 21:46

pom

Im not rising to it

Bless

Grin
Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 21:47

Yiz?

pombear · 18/06/2018 21:47

And a big un-MN kiss and hug to Rufus for anyone who thinks I'm being antagonistic.

Rufus is my spirit-guide on these boards, even if Rufus doesn't realise that yet! (PS: Not 2-spirit guide, just a spirit reindeer guide!)

spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:49

Rufus is a good egg who even if you did get upset with couldn't stay annoyed at for long.

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pombear · 18/06/2018 21:49

FFS Rufus has raised the bar with a 'bless'.

Y'aint seen nothing yet Rufus! Hun!

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 21:49

Oh god now i really am worried Grin

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2018 21:50

I have nfi what's going on.

I don't know what's banned and what's not. There is no obvious guide on the mobile site that I can see.

Forum is now unusable.

My email for this account is a spam one I rarely check.

I can't use the language told to me as it negates my actual life experience. It's like having my life rewritten all over again, after fighting to reclaim it.

We were betrayed.

People forgot why it was that Emmeline Pankhurst was so inspired and became militant.

She worked as a registrar in a poor area of Manchester and frequency saw women with no voice at all and all the responsibility of children ignored and forgotten. Many ended up in the workhouse; and straight after giving birth were given the choice to either be immediately separated from their child (which of course at the time might well be a death sentence in its own right) or leave destitute with no where else to go.

Once again we are seeing the same dynamic playing out. Women who found a political voice to speak up about their injustice and the injustice of their fellow women are no longer free to speak.

The most vulnerable women in our society are finding themselves in a situation where they do not feel they can go to a homeless shelter or a domestic violence shelter anymore. Their choice is being vulnerable or taking their chances on the streets.

When Emmeline's husband died she raised money for a hall in his name. Only for those who built the hall to decide it was to be a men's only hall. Despite everything that her husband had done to support the cause for women's rights and much of the reason of why they had come together as a couple.

This is what MN have effectively done. The same sort of betrayal of the point of their existence.

More and more I fear we are forgetting the principles that created liberal society and what people fought against to get rights. The history is important, as it stops us slipping back.

The nitty gritty of the whys of what Emmeline did are more important in some respects than the shallow notion of women gaining the vote. You have to know why she was so determined to ensure they had it, because of the reasons of why they so desparately needed it.

And here we are 100 years in celebrating it, and the majority doing so, have not one fucking clue about how babies and biological implications of potentially having babies were the entire bloody point.

If you haven't watched this on iPlayer about why Emmeline became militant, please do so:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0b7d4jv/emmeline-pankhurst-the-making-of-a-militant

It's relevant. That includes you too @MNHQ.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 21:50

Yeah i went there pom

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 18/06/2018 21:50

I got a PM from our erudite visitor.

Apparently I'm a bad person and Karma will get me. How very delightful.

Which one? Seems there are a number out tonight.

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