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3 strikes and you're out

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spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 13:33

Sorry to start this thread but I'm livid. I'm beyond livid to be fair.

I'm now on strike two and have been warned my posting privilege is at risk.

The reason for this thread is; please don't take the new guidelines at face value. I got a strike today for calling a man who presents as a woman a name NOT on the banned list. Obviously now I can't say what it was, I am effectively gagged.

I now have six weeks of no free speech until the strikes I have are wiped - again effectively gagged.

So, you won't see me much as I will NOT refer to men who present as women as the names we are allowed to call them, so will end up banned. I will post bland banal comments that can't offend any sensibilities here and let rip elsewhere where free speech is encouraged.

PLEASE, please, watch your words or MN will use this as a reason the close the FWR board.

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ChickenMe · 18/06/2018 20:46

Plus people will be busy screenshotting and spreading the word. Many posters who aren't used to this site, don't even realise that what they're saying exposes them.

So true. I frequently send/show/discuss stuff from here with two non-member friends (one male, one female). They are now GC. They'd prob never use MN but for spreading the word the regular posters on here have done so well and the stupid posts speak for themselves.

pombear · 18/06/2018 20:51

I'm magnanimous about MNHQ's position on this.

They're a business, not a charity.

But they represent, on the whole, female people. Females whose spaces, places, ability to talk about what the experience of truly being female means to them.

They have grown this space, ridden political and commercial storms, spoken out and spoken for female issues.

But regardless, as I've said many times before, I am so thankful for all the females (and some males) who have been here on this forum, some who have gone, some who remain.

Who help us frame the debate. Who woke some of us from our slumber of 'ally-ship' and just being 'nice to everyone' even when it threatened female's safety, and ability to be somewhere without penis-havers. whatever our personal reasons for wanting this.

Who help us recognise the tactics of those who wish to shut down debate.

Who help flush out the posters who highlight what we're talking about - the misogynists, the abusers, the forcers-of-our-spaces to validate their own identity, regardless of female needs.

Who help us feel more confident to speak up, to speak out. To take action.

Yet again, to those who chose to leave, to those who got 3 strikes, to those who are moderating their language furiously to stay.

You inspire me.

ballsballsballs · 18/06/2018 20:52

Some time ago a poster who used to comment frequently told me my distress at not being able to carry a baby was better than theirs, because at least I have a womb. Irritatingly by their own admission they had fathered child(ren).

pombear · 18/06/2018 20:54

ballsballsballs Shock Angry Though in this climate, sadly unsurprising.

JuzzaL · 18/06/2018 20:57

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backaftera2yearbreak · 18/06/2018 20:59

Is it time to look elsewhere? Create a new forum for discussion or does another already exist?

spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:00

One already exists.

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Kettlepotblackagain · 18/06/2018 21:00

Oh fucking hell ballsballsballs

AntiqueOlive · 18/06/2018 21:01

pombear 👏

spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:01

The ectoplasm can fuck off, I will not engage with any person who identifies as the opposite sex.

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GardenGeek · 18/06/2018 21:02

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spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:04

I will NOT use any of those terms, it's like stealing my sex. NO!

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AntiqueOlive · 18/06/2018 21:07

balls Flowers - i remember that exchange. Utterly self-centred and yet so self-unaware. Unforgivable and unforgettable.
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pombear · 18/06/2018 21:08

Thanks Antique - I really mean it.

I'm such a chicken, and I got shot down yesterday with a classic 'are you drunk' tactic (I may not have been making complete sense on the thread, but it was because I hadn't framed my discussion quite right).

The persistence, rational, and logical debate and discussion that I see from gender critical, and other females here, defending our rights, is inspirational and motivates me to get involved.

Not all of us may have as good debating skills, but we can all get involved.

And I'm so tired of seeing quotes about 'there's nastiness on both sides'. I have so rarely seen 'nastiness' from gender critical females - unless 'nastiness' is defined as 'having a different point of view and stating it without being abusive or threatening'.

That tactic is abusive and 'alternative facts' in itself, and everytime someone does it, they accidentally inspire me further to keep going!

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 18/06/2018 21:09

I can't use those terms. If I use transwoman or transfemale to describe a man, then the heavy implication is that I see him as a subset of women and I don't! Because he isn't a woman at all...not one tiny fraction of him is female. He's just a man.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 18/06/2018 21:10

Balls...that's the worst I have ever heard!😮😡 The complete lack of decency is outrageous!

GardenGeek · 18/06/2018 21:12

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spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:12

Balls I'm so sorry I missed your post. That is appalling and shows the mindset of these people. Flowers

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spontaneousgiventime · 18/06/2018 21:14

GardenGeek You are trying to be conciliatory and I do appreciate that but I will not use those terms - period!

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AntiqueOlive · 18/06/2018 21:14

Pom - I was following your glass of wine thread. You were great. Smile

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 18/06/2018 21:15

Some time ago a poster who used to comment frequently told me my distress at not being able to carry a baby was better than theirs, because at least I have a womb. Irritatingly by their own admission they had fathered child(ren).

Shock

I am horrified and so sorry you had to listen to that utter horse shit.

Mogleflop · 18/06/2018 21:19

(Cough) At the risk of dissing Mumsnet or getting a strike, given how many trolls and PBPs keep signing up here over and over again, I wouldn't worry too much on a lifetime ban...

And yes balls. I was told on another forum to be grateful for the multiple miscarriages I'd had as at least I'd been pregnant and they would never know what that felt like. Many others agreed. I think one person said they didn't but they were shouted down. I've got the screenshots somewhere.

ballsballsballs · 18/06/2018 21:20

Thanks everyone. At the time I was hugely upset and angry. It still makes me think WTF whenever I remember it.

Olive I'm glad you remember the post. The poster had all their posts deleted so there's no evidence.

ballsballsballs · 18/06/2018 21:20

Mogle 💐

pombear · 18/06/2018 21:21

Thanks Antique. Going to PM you a quick message, if that's OK. Was just a little phased by a PM I got myself after that. Let me know if that's not OK for you. Could do with a gender-critical bit of local support! But it's OK if it's not OK!

(Cos I check, unlike the PM-er!)