How will we know if we have lost good women?

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I fear we will lose some of our strongest most vibrant voices, torn down by the current wordspeak policies..... Can we keep a record here of those we lose? I do NOT want to forget them.

I thought it was so telling that the GC would have happily kept all language (even the abhorrent Cis and Terf) ... while the trans-allies wanted to curtail as much speech as they possibly could....

To all strong GC voices - Please DO NOT leave us - your voice counts for more here than on any other forum.... Mumsnet is watched by the world and will be responsible for our keeping women and girls safe .... even if you have to clip your wings a little to get your message across, please hang on in here ... IT IS SO IMPORTANT

Am I being thick not to know why potatoes (and yawns) are goady?

We have been instructed to be sensitive to the feelings of those who find joking of any sort hurtful. There is one holding forth on another thread right now.

.I've already seen on FB that instead of saying "women and trans women" we should be saying women and cis women
Over my dead body

We have been instructed to be sensitive to the feelings of those who find joking of any sort hurtful. There is one holding forth on another thread right now.

That's me bollocksed then. Taking the piss is my raison d'etre. Fare thee well, my dear potatoes!

I’m Irish and I find banning the word potato 🥔 very offensive. Actually it’s literal violence against me. Are you trying to say potatoes don’t exist? Bloody spudphobics!

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I'll have to join you

Thats pretty much the only thing i do

What about yams? Can we say that on the internet nobody knows you're on one those? Of course most of what's referred to as yams are actually sweet potatoes, so...

Give me pisstaking or give me...well, a different site that allows pisstaking. I'm not going to stop doing that. If it results in a ban, oh well!

Yes, Rufus. On the interwebs no one knows you are a potato is goady when I say it but it is not goady when one of the transgender advocates say it

That isn't quite accurate. You have a habit of deciding that posters who don't express opinions which you deem to be sufficiently womenlike must be men. You are not the only one poster who does that.

The potato farce was because you and another poster were doing that to a poster who had a long posting history clearly showing she was a woman. Your faux innocent response was the "nobody knows etc."

It's reminding me of Sophiapotatoes and the v bad wedding photos.
Was anyone on twitter for that? About 2013 maybe?

That isn't quite accurate. You have a habit of deciding that posters who don't express opinions which you deem to be sufficiently womenlike must be men. You are not the only one poster who does that.

I do not think it is in the spirit of MN Talk Guidelines to say such dishonest and hurtful things about other posters, Lass.
I have no such habits.

Yes, but Lass, what is your vegetable insult of choice? If people want to refer to me in pejorative terms, I would prefer to be called sweetcorn - which I regard as the vegetable sent by Satan.

I don't think it's wrong to remind posters that not everyone here is being completely honest about who they are and their motivations. Surely we are allowed to do that it humour.

Whatever veggie I identify as it's definitely not okra, which is clearly expelled from Satan's nostrils.

Sweetcorn is nice

Kale on the other hand

Thats the problem lass

Wouldn't argue with what you have said ....however, as far as my very limited memory goes whatever thebewilderness had been doing in previous posts to that poster...the post that was deleted was the potato one

Which looked very strange to anyone not keeping up with all the thread...unfortunately we can't tell for deffo as the thing was deleted

Surely this doesn't we'll have to call our ex's "she" on the Trans Windows thread? Because that's some familiar gaslighting that I've been through before.

- 3 mins

TinselAngel

We are all very worried about what this will mean for the transwidows.
Clearly MNHQ have taken the side of the abusive males in this conflict.

TinselAngel. Have you asked for clarification?

I don't think you can beat the frozen pea.

Tinsel I thought of you all when I saw Justine's statement.

I don't know what this means for the TW but the prospect of you having to police your pronouns is awful.

Is it worth contacting MNHQ and asking them for comment/guidance?

I've seen several people on the site stuff threads directing people over to the transwidows thread in response to claims that AGP doesn't exist (or in one hilarious case that maybe it does but not in the UK). Tinsel, would you prefer if people didn't do that? That thread definitely illustrates the fact that AGP is a thing but at the same time I'm a bit worried about the women there being targeted for abuse by those who might not have noticed them quietly refusing to comply before.

Surely this doesn't we'll have to call our ex's "she" on the Trans Windows thread? Because that's some familiar gaslighting that I've been through before.

That same issue applies to many women who have been victims of male violence - rape, DV, Family violence, sexual assault, coercive control and so on. It's the gaslighting that does the real long-term damage mostly, assuming the woman escapes with her life.

They know not what they do but they should being a women's forum - @MNHQ sounds like you didn't get DV training?

Picking on

Transactivists come here deliberately to goad and gaslight feminists, and when women respond with humour instead of anger it's called 'picking on'.

We are all very worried about what this will mean for the transwidows.

Yes. @MNHQ - can we have clarification on this? Will the transwidows be left alone to have their conversations without interference?

The potato thing isn't funny.

I genuinely didn't know how it started, Lass.

I still think the general self-policing-by-deflection thing is a) funny and b) better than a slanging match.