Why is misgendering a big deal?

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Hope someone can help because I’m really trying to understand why not affirming someone’s identity is that big of a deal.
I understand that it’s polite to go along with whatever someone’s chosen gender identity is, but I can’t believe that it’s actually a big problem if you don’t?
Surely if your friends and family accept your identity, it doesn’t matter if someone at work doesn’t?
Would it really make someone suicidal?
Do any of the trans organisations say why it is so important?
I just don’t get it.

Some rare passing trans identified males may. The rest don't experience misogyny.

The majority of the misogyny I've experienced is sexual harassment. Trans women tend to experience this as soon as they vaguely pass. There's so many posts about it; having to come to terms with being catcalled, or strangers thinking they have the right to touch you. I think some people have a sexual fetish for feminisation which can often be applied to trans people.

They are just as likely to be viewed as weak/stupid because of misogyny. Trans men are made fun of by misogynists for trying to ascend to the male level. Trans women are mocked because now, they see them on the same level as women.

I think trans women often get the hit of the gender pay gap once they've transitioned, too.

No, cis means that you identify as a woman. Cis is unnecessary, it's a label that isn't needed, isn't wanted and doesn't describe me.
It's not necessary in general conversation. In some discussions it's very helpful as a way to differentiate!

I'll ask again - how do you feel about your erasure?

I don't really feel erased
Trans women are women, okay, so am I. I'm still here.

Just because discussions about trans people aren't centred on me (obviously) doesn't make me "erased"!

I don't have an internal gender according to all the definitions I've read

But you do have a concept of yourself as a woman. A trans man born with a female body like you would have a concept of himself as a man. You're never going to be able to imagine what that feels like.

That is gender identity - the sense of yourself as a man or a woman. Such a trans man may be seen as a woman, but that would feel wrong and he would feel that people should be relating to him as a they would to a man, not a woman.

Rose don't worry about Picasso. Picasso likes to go on about records and things that go round and round, and post songs about it. It is their hobby.

Roseandflowers is a now a stuck record.

I've gone from sex-segregated sport to Native American gender to cis terminology to reproductive rights to sexual harassment! (This was off the top of my head. If I've missed stuff out or its in a different order, don't flame me.)

You've gone from one condescending comment to another! Still without answering the question. Please answer it. I'm genuinely interested as to what extent you'd go.

You really don't have a clue what the gender critical position is. I don't subscribe to your Humpty Dumpty worldview. Sorry. Nor do most other people. And you can't force them to.

@AncientLights I agree, tiny cogs, versus I AM THE WHEEL THAT TURNS EVERYTHING , YOU ALL REVOLVE AROUND ME .
We have a problem with socially sanctioning narcissism.

Much of your waffle derives from the Yogyarka Principles. These are the principles in question, we are experiencing a drive to have this embedded in law, which requires a wholesale demobilisation of the word sex. You have obviously swallowed the whole lot of it.

Not everyone has.

Absolutely SirVix.

what do I use as an XX person with no gender identity?

Corpse.

Gender identity is part of human identity. If you are alive and conscious you have a gender identity - it is the sex you feel you are. The concept of yourself as a man or a woman.

You really don't have a clue what the gender critical position is. I don't subscribe to your Humpty Dumpty worldview. Sorry. Nor do most other people. And you can't force them to.

Is this directed at me?

If so, what an odd response to a discussion about misogyny trans people might encounter. It's not really about being gender critical at all. A lot of misogyny is based on how misogynists view you. Trans women will experience sexual harassment and work-place sexism, it's just kind of how it is, and often the better they "pass" the worse it will be.

And do you mean Humpty Dumpty as in the egg?

I can't force anybody to believe anything - an odd statement too. I can give my opinion. If it's changing yours, that can happen in a debate. It's not because I'm "forcing" you.

Trans males can’t experience misogyny. The clue is in the name.

Much of your waffle derives from the Yogyarka Principles. These are the principles in question, we are experiencing a drive to have this embedded in law, which requires a wholesale demobilisation of the word sex. You have obviously swallowed the whole lot of it.

Again, is this directed at me?

I have to confess that - embarrassingly - I don't know a lot about them. They're Indonesian, aren't they?

But no, my viewpoints don't come from there. A good idea for some reading though.

Seriously - can you answer? If you believe you're right, then what's wrong with replying to my questions?

If so, what an odd response to a discussion about misogyny trans people might encounter.

It was a general comment on all your posts. "Misogyny" experienced by trans identified males is not the sole thing I have commented on. You do appear to have some issues following a fast moving argument.

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that men are women.

I genuinely don't have a gendered sense of identity. But interestingly that isn't accepted by the gender identity believers, and I'm told I must be a cis woman.

Corpse.

Gender identity is part of human identity. If you are alive and conscious you have a gender identity - it is the sex you feel you are. The concept of yourself as a man or a woman.

Guess I’m a zombie, then.

Misogyny is the hatred of WOMEN!!! As in adult human female. Men cannot EVER experience misogyny because they are, you know, MEN!

I have to confess that - embarrassingly - I don't know a lot about them. They're Indonesian, aren't they?

Yogyakarta is in Indonesia. Gold star for geography. I wouldn't call the YP "Indonesian".

If my 16 year says they are non binary I'd think they had too much time on their hands and get him to take the drive.

When you say "trans males" do you mean trans women; as in, someone born with a penis who identifies as a woman?

If so, then they can. Trans women deal with a lot of misogyny that isn't really about your reproductive organs; sexual harassment for one.

If you mean trans men, if they haven't had surgery then they're still vulnerable to sex-discriminatory issues.

Or rake it even!

A lack of actual shit to do leaves kids with too much time to think about themselves.

But interestingly that isn't accepted by the gender identity believers, and I'm told I must be a cis woman.

Because if you aren't their whole stupid house of cards and shaky ideology collapses.

Men are not victims of misogyny.