Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint

[OrchidInTheSun]

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Isn't that great? Terry has got the fastest ever meet time for a girl! Poor Bridget is now third.

I wonder if Terry and Andraya will now get university scholarships based on their poor track performances when compared to their male peers?

And I don’t see any trans bashing here.

I see people saying that something that some trans people are doing isn’t fair. Which is a valid concern and is not trans bashing. So please don’t try and shut the conversation down with false accusations.

daimbars seems to be doing the Gish Gallop. "It's only one school (it wasn't), it's just a state race and it doesn't mean anything (it means scolarships), it's not here so what do we care, it won't matter for the EA". Pretty soon it will be "it's just sports, who cares".

daimbars this was not a one high school race. It was the State Championship. The biggest race there is for a high school athlete. If you're an excellent, hardworking athlete, you might get two years on the Varsity team. In one of those years, if you're lucky, your team might qualify for the State Championship. It's the kind of thing you put on university and scholarship applications, because it demonstrates not only talent but the discipline and commitment necessary to compete at that level (if, of course, you're competing fairly).

It's not sports day at school ffs. And even if it was, it wouldn't make it any less unfair.

Laurel Hubbard - also unfair. You haven't mentioned Gabriella Ludwig yet, that's unfair too.

Three cases of trans women gaining an unfair advantage over women in sports in the whole world.

I wonder why these cases are highlighted so much on here when there are other non trans related issues that affect millions of women across the world, FGM for example, that barely gets mentioned.

I'm not saying it's not unfair I am saying the level of outrage is bizarre when there are so many dreadful things happening to women.

Some of the girls in that race how now been denied the right to move forward and continue on a trajectory that might end up with them representing their country.

Also, there are two girls that didn't even get to race.

how's about telling Fred that he is still physically male - he may choose to do something about this in the future

Let's stop the delusion, there's nothing he can do about being male now or at any point in the future.

Daim: the Equality Act exemptions are not going to protect us. You must think we are dumb. We know you are already targeting them, and will target them further. This mothership narrative about the Equality Act is totally transparent.

daimbars seems to be doing the Gish Gallop. "It's only one school (it wasn't), it's just a state race and it doesn't mean anything (it means scolarships), it's not here so what do we care, it won't matter for the EA". Pretty soon it will be "it's just sports, who cares".

Yep. And we all know just how good organisations are at applying EA exemptions to protect women's rights, don't we, boys, girls and non binary gendered people?

Cross posted with you Pratchet

Each of those boys took a spot on the Varsity team that a girl should have had. That girl, who lost out on a Varsity place, ended up on the Junior Varsity team and displaced another girl who didn't get to be on the track team at all.

Those girls' feelings don't matter. The only feelings that matter are those of the boys who want to win by racing against the girls. Because somehow it's their right to compete. Unlike the displaced girls, who have no such right. Somehow it would be cruel or hateful if these mediocre male athletes couldn't take part in sports. But the mediocre female athletes who would have just made Varsity, or just made the cut for JV if the boys hadn't pushed them out? Is it a travesty and a hate crime if they have to give up their dream of being on the high school track team? Nah, in their case, it's only sports, it's only high school, what's the big deal, can't get worked up about this.

But only in their case. For the stunning and brave male 'girls', it's life and death, and to say 'sorry, you haven't made the cut as it's a female team' would be to commit violence against them.

Daim - I'm twitter friends with a couple of women who have suffered FGM. They are continually being told they're trans exclusionary for talking about what happened to them. I work to campaign for single sex toilet provision in the developing world and against period poverty in the U.K. Jean Hatchet, who rides in memory of murdered women to raise money for women's refuges, gets regular abuse for not centring transwomen.

The trans cult affects all these campaigns. All of them. We are constantly attacked.

And I don't know why I'm talking to you as you're doing the same

Pratchet if you read my posts you will see I agree with you re keeping the Equality Act exemptions.

It's ironic really as I am sure you could sway a lot more liberal feminists by highlighting these exemptions may be under threat. Instead anyone on here remotely liberal is branded a TRA and chased off the board.

I can't even read it. It makes me so angry and outraged.

Women and girls need to refuse to compete with trans women. It's the only way this madness will ever end.

I'm not saying it's not unfair I am saying the level of outrage is bizarre when there are so many dreadful things happening to women.

People are outraged because this is being sanctioned, ffs. Fully and definitively.

By the athletes who are cheating, their parents, the school, the state and the country.

This isn't some two bit anomaly/cheating going on. This is wholesale, government sanctioned oppression of women.

If you're not outraged you're part of the problem.

AllMimsey I agree, but it's so difficult for individual girls to take a stand when they have worked so hard to get there, there is so much at stake and there are other girls who will compete.

It will take someone much more powerful to step up and do something about it. By the reaction on twitter and some sport forums, I think public opinion is on the girls side.

If you're not outraged you're part of the problem.

Well said Datun.

It’s a fucking disgrace and I can’t believe there hasn’t been an outcry now it’s a state championship level

I am definitely outraged but the cynical side of me suspects sharing this article was just another excuse to be down on trans women.

There are certainly other things going on in America that outrage me more, for example:

bigthink.com/praxis/misogyny-and-the-law-americas-rape-culture

"Look! Over there! Talk about that, not about this!"

Why do we have to prioritise outrage?

I am furious that an average of two women a week are murdered by their current or former partners.

That doesn't preclude me from being pissed off when I can't find my car keys.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe English Exam was a bad example but there must be something where it is believed the female is superior to the male.

Well off the top of my head, women have a higher pain threshold. But torture isn't an international sport (unless you count Twitter). But the thing is that actually, no - there aren't major different bounds of ability between men and women in any area I can think of right now other than sports. There are different tendencies - and these matter. For example, men and women have almost identical average intelligence, but men have a wider distribution (i.e. more smart men and more smart women), but that doesn't change the bounds. A world leading mathematician can be a Maryam Mirzakhani or a Kurt Gödel. Just as girls typically do better at school but the best pupil overall could easily be either sex. Sports is actually the only field I know where regardless of frequency, the best of women can't compete with the upper levels of men. or vice versa. You're welcome to think of another case - there's probably something out there. But I don't know what it is. If you can find it, lets see if it's sex segregated.

I'm not saying it's not unfair I am saying the level of outrage is bizarre when there are so many dreadful things happening to women.

Because it's wrong and it's being sold as right. That always generates outrage and for a very good reason. When something wrong is accepted by society as something right, it is then taken up by the rest of society.

I am definitely outraged but the cynical side of me suspects sharing this article was just another excuse to be down on trans women.

I don't have even the smallest flicker of an opinion about the actual people involved. Other than the fact they are cheats, trans or not.

It's about a system that is allowing the government sanctioned oppression of women.

And also, frankly, because we feel for those girls who trained so hard and are denied not only a chance to win, but in two girls' cases, a chance to even compete. I don't feel the need to justify being upset by that or by how much.

daimbars

The cynical side of you? I doubt there's any other side.

sad day for women's sport

www.dailywire.com/news/17216/boy-believes-hes-girl-defeats-girls-connecticut-hank-berrien