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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint

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OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 11:30

twitter.com/GameTimeCT/status/1003739370736816129

Isn't that great? Terry has got the fastest ever meet time for a girl! Poor Bridget is now third.

I wonder if Terry and Andraya will now get university scholarships based on their poor track performances when compared to their male peers?

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Bowlofbabelfish · 10/06/2018 16:19

Most PhD studentships are funded by a funding body - and most openly state that.

I won’t put her email on here because that seems intrusive but if you click on the link in the thread above there’s an email address for the person coordinating studies. Ask them outright!

SuitedandBooted · 10/06/2018 16:27

No it doesn’t follow a null hypothesis model. It reads as an invite to produce a monologue that will support unisex sport

That's what I though Babel, just checking with the better informed! Grin

OldmanOfTheWeb3 · 10/06/2018 18:04

Science is not a belief based system. Its objective.

American Academia is riddled with, well on the Right we call it "Cultural Marxism", but whatever you choose to call it, it's everywhere in Academia now. Even the Sciences and Engineering are being corrupted by it now whilst in Sociology and similar, students are being directly taught that reality ranks lower than subjectivity.

Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint
Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint
ErrolTheDragon · 10/06/2018 18:19

There was one accurate statement on one of those slides.

'Words have meanings'. I wish these POMO-addled academics (and others) would remember that.

GeorgeFayne · 11/06/2018 00:37

Here's a question: in the UK, if you wanted to create, say, a private running club for girls that had competitions, awards, etc., and limit it only to biologic females, would you be allowed to do so? Here in the US, I'm not entirely sure, and I suspect in Canada, the answer would be no.

Italiangreyhound · 11/06/2018 01:06

"GeorgeFayne sex is a protected characteristic in UK law so you should be able to.

I expect there would be bad press. But more examples like this (in the OP) and Laurel Hubbard competing in events against women might convince people that women do need female only sports.

www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-might-have-unfair-advantage-expert.html

Persifleur · 11/06/2018 01:10

George Who or what would be stopping you there across the pond?

Whoever has the power.

Who has the power? Who appointed them? To whom are they answerable? How can we get rid of them?
(H/T Tony Benn)

GeorgeFayne · 11/06/2018 04:41

Nice Tony Benn! (Even I know some of his quotes.)

You're totally correct in that if Americans really want change, we technically have the tools to do so. However, money ultimately has a lot to do with winning elections here, and there is big $$$ behind this agenda. Plus, most Americans still feel very tolerant about extending special rights (including to protected spaces) to trans individuals. They have done an excellent job of portraying themselves as truly victimized, oppressed people. (You don't hear much talk about the staggering number of women killed by domestic violence, but being denied access to a bathroom will make the national news.)

You know, I think because the law hasn't yet been fully defined, (federally), it's hard to say what would happen to private "female" sporting clubs. Some cite the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution as a means to support the idea that discrimination, even for private businesses or organizations, is illegal. And I suspect if one lived in a very liberal state, there would be pushback and local challenge in the courts. Living in Utah or Idaho? Might be able to get away with your private group.

I predict that within several years, there will be a case that goes to the Supreme Court and will establish a more definitive basis.

GibbertyFlibbert · 11/06/2018 05:55

"If anyone is wondering why TRAs come on here with their ‘science facts’ and a few of us Will Not Let It Lie - even though we know they are GFs - it’s this. Science is objective. Science is not belief based. Science blows TRA claims out of the water."

It didn't on the science teacher thread. There, Bowl, you were unable to respond to the science against your claims. You claim science supports you but when asked were unable to provide and studies to support your case and clearly didn't understand the opposite science.

mancheeze · 11/06/2018 06:04

Its stories like this that finally peak transed my husband.

I have a feeling this particular subject will be THE biggest tipping point for many people.

mancheeze · 11/06/2018 06:12

No it doesn’t follow a null hypothesis model. It reads as an invite to produce a monologue that will support unisex sport

Yep. The 'research' around transgenderism is highly politicized and flawed and it's sad because most people don't understand this and can't read a study and point out WHY. This allows transactivists to make up some whacky claims that people accept on face value.

Charolais · 11/06/2018 06:14

I’m here in the U.S. and all the feminists I know are 100% supporting boys/men pretending to be women in women’s sports and also in the girls locker rooms, toilets, showers, changing rooms etc.

AND I DON’T KNOW WHY! I can only guess It’s a Liberal thing.

OrchidInTheSun · 11/06/2018 06:16

GrinGrin I've just read that thread from beginning to end Gibberty. It didn't say what you think it said.

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Agrona · 11/06/2018 06:27

Thank you for confirming my thoughts, Orchid. I was concerned about my reading comprehension. Cake

InfiniteSheldon · 11/06/2018 06:29

GibbertyFlibbert no that's really not how that thread went. The 'opposite science' you reference was hokum and showman such.

Pratchet · 11/06/2018 06:44

Science teacher thread

Gibberty what an extraordinary opinion about science teacher thread. It was so humiliating for you, I actually felt a lil bit sympathetic. I've linked above anyway.

CosmicCanary · 11/06/2018 06:59

Gibb
I have just read the science teacher thread and can confirm along with others that the links you posted DID NOT confirm/prove humans can change sex.

Infact some if the links proved sex change is not possible.

The level of delusion you display is quite astounding.
I am torn between feeling sorry and embaressed for you and angry that you think posters are dumb enough to believe you.

L0UISA · 11/06/2018 07:16

Girls and women could create a private sports club and give out their own awards. But if the members wished to compete in local and national competitions then they and/ the club would have to be registered with the sports national governing body.

In some sports you are not permitted to compete in non registered events.

TimeLady · 11/06/2018 07:23

Gibb is single-handedly helpfully providing the evidence to any lurkers that the TRA cause doesn't have a scientific leg to stand on.

I'm in no doubt scientologists would argue their version of 'science' in a similar fashion, while the rest of us just roll our eyes at the BS.

Thank Gibb Flowers

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 11/06/2018 07:25

Yes, *Gibb", that science thread did not cover you in glory. Very entertaining, though

Bowlofbabelfish · 11/06/2018 07:30

It didn't on the science teacher thread. There, Bowl, you were unable to respond to the science against your claims. You claim science supports you but when asked were unable to provide and studies to support your case and clearly didn't understand the opposite science.

Oh gibb are we reading the same thread? The science teacher one? Where you repeatedly tell me you’ve posted a link that says how people can change sex, but that link is to a paper on mosaicism, which is nothing to do with changing sex? Then I ask you to explain how it works but you just tell me you already have?

That thread? I’m still waiting for your explanation on how humans can change sex in an actual post, rather than random links to stuff that’s irrelevant.

As I said on there, if you’ve got a mechanism for a Male XY human changing to a female XX human you’re going to get a nobel. So please do explain.

GorgonLondon · 11/06/2018 07:32

Gibber I also read the whole of the biology teacher thread and I am beyond astonished to see you bring it up here as an example of trans activists successfully employing scientific facts and understanding when it really patently demonstrated the exact opposite.

Did you think that people would take your word for it without reading it for themselves?!

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Bowlofbabelfish · 11/06/2018 07:34

With your words that you have - in a post. Not endless random link bingo.

By the way, science tends not to keep running studies to prove the globe is an oblate spheroid, because it’s sort of the scientific consensus. If any new information arises that the Earth is in fact NOT an oblate spheroid then we will have a look at it and assess it on merit. But for the moment, we don’t keep responding to flat earthers with multimillion dollar ‘proving the earth is an oblate spheroid’ research programs, because we ... um... sort of know it isn’t.

Terfulike · 11/06/2018 07:46

Charolais

No, not all feminists - you don't. And you somehow need to get together with others.
Even talking together here on mn with women across the world is a big start for us all. I don't know if there are meetings happening in the states Irl like there are in uk. In any case you might like to watch the live stream of the upcoming London meeting to feel less isolated. Sometimes I feeling sweeps over me that I'm I'm wrong, that I'm being mean and cruel to trans people. It's issues like the present one that convince me that it's the tras and people following their agenda who are the cruel ones. When it impacts young people and children, their bodies and futures that's real cruelty.

OldmanOfTheWeb3 · 11/06/2018 14:08

It didn't on the science teacher thread. There, Bowl, you were unable to respond to the science against your claims.

Just going to join the chrous here, but you were just posting links that didn't prove anything. Nobody was "unable to respond to them". In fact, you got a lot of responses along the lines of "how does this prove what you say?" and all you'd reply was that you'd already proved it. Honestly, this sort of nonsense tactic doesn't work here. Which is one of the nice things about this place.