Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint

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Isn't that great? Terry has got the fastest ever meet time for a girl! Poor Bridget is now third.

I wonder if Terry and Andraya will now get university scholarships based on their poor track performances when compared to their male peers?

Its stories like this that finally peak transed my husband. His tipping point was reading about the trans women who fought against a woman in cage fighting.

Dusty - there is no biological reason why girls are better at English than boys. There are many reason boys are better than girls at running. To make them compete against each other is unfair.

There’s a reason the only mixed-sex Olympic event is equestrian sports, where it doesn’t matter what sex the human is.

Canada yes but the States? Maybe individual states have self id.

It the natural consequence of self ID, Daim. What else could happen.

I might be wrong but I thought both the USA and Canada had self ID laws now which would explain how these two boys were allowed to compete with the girls.

It would also explain why Danielle Muscato was allowed into a women's homeless shelter...

I don't think it is a federal thing. Rowan klaxon.

Daimbars it doesn't matter that it's one school, this may set the precedent and others may follow. The most important thing is that the girls in the race were put in an unfair situtation that shouldn't have been allowed to have happen.

'happened'

I might be wrong (I also had a general anaesthetic today so a bit fuzzy) but I thought there were exemptions in the Equalities Act which do not allow trans women to participate in competitive female sports?

Therefore this is to do with the Equality Act and nothing to do with self ID?

As long as the exemptions remain then there is no chance of this happening in the UK.

Hi ... great thread on Conneticut.... I suspect Mumsnet won't move so wy don't you just repost with your opening post? Adding anything you fancy for a wider audience.... Think it is really worth it and reaches another audience.... Agree - 2 boys 1st and 2nd - serious peak trans time! xx

No, it's not one school daimbar. It's a State competition. These kids are competing for their schools at State level. The winners will go on to compete nationally. Some will then get chosen to represent their country in international competitions.

In 2011, Connecticut passed a State law which expanded the rights of gender identity which I guess is the issue here.

This is interesting: In May 2016, guidance was issued by the Departments of Justice and Education stating that schools which receive federal money must treat a student’s gender identity as their sex (for example, in regard to bathrooms).[91] However, this policy was revoked in 2017.[91] (from wiki)

So the two boys get to change and shower with the girls too?

@daimbars

It happens internationally, there’s a NZ weightlifter who was born male and competes in female categories, at world championship level. Wasn’t good enough a weightlifter when in the men’s categories but does well in the women’s now they’re wearing pink trainers.

I think boys and girls should compete against each other, if boys always win so be it. We don't give easy English exams to boys because girls are better at it.

Here are just a few of the things wrong with your statement:

1/ There is no comparable difference in language aptitude between the sexes to that of sports thus no strong reason to segregate it by sex.
2/ English exams are not competitive events like sports, they are assessments of ability for career and further education. In neither career nor further education are applicants segregated by sex thus exams must assess everyone equally.
3/ As an assessment of ability, exams are, except in the broadest statistical terms, not comparable to an assessment of primacy (order of ability).
4/ You're dumb as a box of rocks.
5/ People taking English exams don't want to have separate category for their exam but women doing sports, do.

Hope that helps.

To put it in proportion, this was was one high school race in America. America is a big place, it has a lot of schools
But in this state race - which will influence decision down the line on scholarships - the best performing biological females have lost out to fairly average biological males.
How on Earth is that fair?
Surely, for some things, trans girls and woe men just need to given biological females their own space.
After all - it isn’t about the winning. Although clearly it absolutely is.

It wasn't the olympics, it wasn't an official sporting event, it was a high school race.

In the US, high school sports can mean the difference between scholarships or nothing. Its a bigger thing than it is in the UK.

I don't think trans 'folk' are dreadful. But I do think boys competing against girls are cheating. Ditto male MMA fighters, male weightlifters, etc competing against females.

Sport is what 'peaked' my brother. As someone who is very athletic and always has been..and also someone studying biology currently, he sees it as hugely unfair.

I wonder how many girls and women need to be excluded before it is seen as a big deal?

One school in America doesn't indicate a global trend to me.

I found the Equality Act exemptions - I was right, under the existing law trans women can be excluded from competitive sports in the UK. Also single sex services.

So what happened at this school in the USA is not going to happen in the UK.

Aren't we allowed to fight for female rights in other countries?

Baroque My point is you can fight to keep the current exemptions in the Equality Act without trans bashing along the way.

This thread is about a race in Connecticut, I don't think the EA is going to help them.

Maybe English Exam was a bad example but there must be something where it is believed the female is superior to the male.

Naturally because I hold a different opinion I must be as dumb as a box of 🐸

Some of the girls in that race how now been denied the right to move forward and continue on a trajectory that might end up with them representing their country. If any of them are from low income families, they have now been denied the right to access scholarships to go on to higher education.

But sure, Daim, it's just a race.

@daimbar but what about Laurel Hubbard, winning medals at international level and 2nd in world rankings? For most sports/countries people in the world top 8 will get funding so they can be full time sports people and concentrate on training.

So how is Laurel’s cheating fair on the person who is ranked 9th and has effectively lost her job.

So it absolutely has the potential to affect U.K. sportswomen.

I was thinking about if DS was one of those boys.

I would do everything I could to stop him from running as it's just not fair - if he wanted to be 'one of the girls' then beating them hollow because of his male anatomy is purely selfish and pretty horrible.

I can imagine the parents saying how hard it is for Fred to be accepted as a girl, and how her dream is to be an athlete, and how mean the other girls are because they don't want to shower with her... Well, how's about telling Fred that he is still physically male - he may choose to do something about this in the future - but for now he is a he.

Plus shitting on the girls he professes to identify with shows a male attitude of disregard for females and their feelings/needs - and no sense of fair play!