Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

[Wakame]

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

And does that include freely consenting to sex Gibberty? Just asking.

It's hard to see reasons why they shouldn't all be aligned. It's one of the reasons why I can see arguments for moving all of them to 16.

No it doesnt.

''It is sometimes suggested that schools should be lenient and allow transgender children to miss school for meetings, mentoring and appointments. All children need maximum attendance at school to enable their learning. While it is right to ensure that children have access to specialist support such as an education psychologist, schools should be wary about sanctioning excessive absence for appointments which could be arranged after school or during holidays and which negatively impact on a child’s learning ''

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www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf

"It's a really different thing to consent to something like an appendix being removed or a vaccination or a broken bone being operated on and rendering oneself sterile whilst in the grip of self-hatred which has a good chance of not lasting into adulthood."

I take your point about broken bones but vaccinations carry significant risks.

Oh look Gibberty is 'misremembering' things that the Transgender Trend resource pack says. What a surprise.

There also seems to be an expectation now that men who transition will be able to do all sorts of things (electrolysis/hair transplants/facial feminisation) in order to 'pass'.

They also want this to be funded (by someone else) so they can look like an 'ideal woman'. This is fairly recent, isn't it? If there have always been transgender people, how on earth did they manage before modern medicine/beauty treatments? I don't want to pay for someone else's cosmetic treatments. SRS should be available for adults with lifelong, debilitating dysphoria, but I don't see why my taxes should be put towards making someone look like Beyonce when the NHS is already overstretched. Cosmetic looks are a personal choice.

This drive to transition people younger seems to be a lot to do with reducing future cosmetic surgery costs. That's nowhere near a good enough reason to transition children.

I take your point about broken bones but vaccinations carry significant risks.

Antivaxxer as well? Have to say that critical appraisal of medical evidence isn’t a hallmark of that group of people either

UpstartCrow

You are confirming my point. Therapy is typically weekly off fortnightly and specialist therapist are needed so they are only going to be available during the day. I know the Transgender Trend material is a shibboleth here but there are obvious weaknesses in it. Two of the obvious ones IMO are:

1 making it harder, not easier for children to get therapy
2 failing to teach children that if they experience gender anxiety that asking for therapy would be sensible

Just what I was thinking, Bowl!

Gibb my son has recieved specialist counselling fot the last 13 months from the NHS and there have been no issues arranging his appointments outside of school hours.

It seems to me that the most appropriate form of treatment for a psychological condition would be to treat it using therapy to help the person to accept their healthy body, rather than medicate it.

If only it were that simple.

There is no evidence for therapies to change gender identity or 'cure' transsexualism. In the entire history of medicine there is only one supposedly successful attempt recorded (I think, happy to be corrected):
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/490883

This case is noted as being unusual in that the patient wanted to change their gender identity.

Also:

Psychotherapy with the objective of “curing” transsexualism, in order to get the patient to accept oneself as a man or a woman, is useless with the currently available methods. The transsexual mind cannot be changed into a false gender orientation. Every attempt there that has been to do so has failed
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1665579615000071

If you can find any evidence for alternative treatment please do present it.

I am going to propose that no one else answers this thread ... Wakame is aiming to derail a Feminist Chat board... has done it before and is doing it again....Really great that Bowl has pasted one cogent response - Let's not add any more
Really makes sense

I am deeply disturbed by the idea that adults are interfering in the sexual, physical and mental development of children.

Join the bloody club.

That's great super match. Children can get counselling until they're old enough to make a decision. I am very supportive

This one seems to be thriving...

Oh God Kyanite that is just awful. How many cases are hidden/brushed under the carpet?

I've no idea spontaneousgiventime, it's very worrying...this tweet was make to Stella Creasy and I didn't notice any reply. My heart goes out to this mother and daughter.

Kyanite Me too. What is it with our politicians? It's like none of them can see past their nose end. My daughters are all grown up but I have granddaughters and am terrified.

I don't understand this new narrative that is being pushed by Mermaids and other trans groups.

They are telling children the following:

1. You have an internal sense of self that tells you if you are 'really' a man, woman or something else.
2. This sense of your own gender is vitally important and cannot be changed.
3. You must find and come to understand this sense of gender before you hit puberty.
4. If you're not sure about which gender you really are, you should delay puberty, because it's very important that your physical body matches your sense of gender.
5. People whose physical body doesn't match their sense of gender are likely to commit suicide.

This narrative is being told to all children,not just those expressing gender dysphoria.

What an incredible amount of pressure to put on children and young people. What about children and teenagers who don't feel this sense of gender? I certainly didn't. I don't believe it's a universal experience at all. Had I been asked to declare my pronouns and my gender at 13 or 14, my life would probably have been completely different.

NatLuc, it seems fairly common for TIM/F to look back and think that if they'd only been medicated from their early teens they would now look more convincing as their acquired sex. They then assume, based on that belief, that trans kids would be far happier medicated.

However 80% of children discover their desire to "change sex" was only transitory and to give what are really very hazardous treatments to children who are far more likely to change their minds than not is incredibly irresponsible. No reputable HCP should recommend it.

As for your demands for a load of NHS treatment to achieve a cosmetic result, you're not being realistic. There are plenty of women who are flat chested or have facial hair. They don't get free treatment - or very rarely. I have lost my singing voice because of an illness. I'm not expecting the NHS to sort that out either.

If i recall Stella Creasyreferred to that incident as peer on peer sexual offending (not sure of the exact words i.e. sexual offending or harrassment). By refusing to acknowledge the sex of the people involved it minimises what happened and blurs the lines.

YY Sarah. I was so angry when she said that. It does exactly that.

Join the bloody club.

Indeed.

Kyanite stella creasy reply

I'd be concerned for any child who thought it was appropriate to masturbate in view of someone else without their consent, and the impact that could have on the person viewing. Peer on peer sexual assault v serious and underreported in schools. need to change that.

mobile.twitter.com/TracyXXs/status/975379101761486848

Ereshkigal

It was an appalling response from Stella

Stupid meaningless platitudes.