Where do we draw the trans line....?

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Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

I know I’ve been away for a while but what happened around here?

Buckle up, Tru, buckle up. It's going to be a long and bumpy ride.

Truscum you're obviously the wrong kind of trans.

Who knew that being pro-woman might put a penny on income tax?

To be fair, i would pay that.

but putting down a specific group of people is not free speech

What do you mean by "putting down" precisely?

I hold a GRC I am a woman and to call me or anyone a TIM is offensive and wrong and done to cause distress and anxiety / upset

Having a GRC doesn’t mean that you get to force posters on the internet to agree with you. It doesn’t mean you get to police their thoughts on what you are either. Hard fact to hear but it’s the truth.

I’m a TIM, an important part of my recovering mental health has been understanding certain realities of my situation.

If an anonymous person in the internet not being willing to partake in your dysphoria/mental disorder causes that much distress and anxiety maybe you should a) seek more counselling b) take a break from the internet until you are ready to deal with the outside world.

I’m definitely going to take the rest of the day off mn. It’s hot, I’m cranky and this place just looks like an opportunity to get repeatedly deleted for speaking my mind at the minute 😁

Truscum Thank you!

Sod that, I’m going back outside to find the ice cream LangCleg

Truscum nice to see you back - you have been much missed!

I love the trolling that ignores the legal position that we can still "segregate by sex" and how much this is not being used.... Being legally a woman is what many of us see as the route of the problem.... No problem with those who have been through an extensive process "living as a woman" while recognising they are male... Serious problems with those "part-timers" and fetishists that "live as a woman" when it suits them, with no concern for biological woman and often serious disdain/misogny

"Having a GRC doesn’t mean that you get to force posters on the internet to agree with you"

Deliberately misgendering someone in a public space is unacceptable.

To be a transwoman you must have been born male and since human beings cannot change sex they are still male.

It's not hate, it's fact even if some people don't like it. If you don't like it take it up with reality instead of scolding posters here.

And maybe take Truscum's advice in their previous post which is wise and sensible.

putting down a specific group of people I wondered that too Ereshkigal Quite chilling, really!

@GibbertyFlibbert

"Having a GRC doesn’t mean that you get to force posters on the internet to agree with you"

Deliberately misgendering someone in a public space is unacceptable.

This is a public space (mumsnet) and being abuse by calling a TIM is hateful and done to cause distress I am a woman and calling me offensive names will not be tollerated aand reported

You do know that reporting people isnt the same as calling the police?

You can report all day long if you want but people are free to think what they like and provided they don't break the law-say it too.

Sod that, I’m going back outside to find the ice cream LangCleg

Good for you!

There should be standard separate wards and a mixed 'female' ward which can be opted into if anyone wants too.

YY. There are surely lots of trans inclusive women who wouldn't mind being next to Jane Fae in the next bed while they were in a hospital gown.

J4nice Please do carry on reporting me. You biologically cannot change sex, it's impossible, so you are a TIM.

@ChickenMe please show me where I stated this? I did not say anything about the police, The OP problaly will be banned unless mumsnets admins are transphobic

J4Nice - you're not going to change anyone's mind by forcing them to partake in your beliefs. It just makes you look like a bully.

@spontaneousgiventime

J4nice Please do carry on reporting me. You biologically cannot change sex, it's impossible, so you are a TIM.

Believe me I am reporting and considering my legal options

Bloody hell this isn't twitter, women are allowed an opinion. You aren't going to change anyone's minds by trying to silence them and you can't police thoughts.

Legal options 😂