Where do we draw the trans line....?

[loveyouradvice]

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

I'm not touching the prostate thing, because that's the silliest attempt at a derail I've seen in a while.

That's what they all say, m'dear!

@AngryAttackKittens

Yes, I'm sure that the sort of men who commit actual violence against trans people base their decisions on what a bunch of feminists say on a parenting forum. I mean, obviously.

I think you mean woman who will attack and hate on trans woman based on your scare mongering and hate pushing posts

you do not realise the harm you are causing to innocent woman and you laugh about it as if its a joke

the kind of posts hosted on here are hate and fear pushing posts which will cause hate incidents and not only put anyone at risk but also cost the tax payer

Ok, I was going to give you the usual 0/10 for arriving here with the usual hyperbole and haranguing tone, but I'm upping it to a solid 3/10 for cost the tax payer - I'll grant you, that's a new one.

@LangCleg reported for trolling

@LangCleg more to the point the OP hides profile in shame for thier trolling

I'm new to this and wanted to watch both sides of the argument.

It is not a woman's job to sort out services for trans people. They need to do that themselves. As for LangCleg trolling, I think I've heard it all now.

I'm new to this and wanted to watch both sides of the argument. Agent Provocateur? Puhlease!

That's not a nice to do. Leap in, tell us what you think... be prepared to get shouted at and to change your mind on some things, become more entrenched in others.

Bear in mind many of us have had to go through the process and, if you post honestly, you'll get a lot of information, some of it quite patient.

But game playing gets jumped on, by posters and MNHQ!

spontaneousgiventime

At least the trolling comment gave me a laugh. I think J4nice might be new to this board.

Sarahconnor1 Agree on all counts. I did a search and hey presto, they've only posted here. Granted, could be a NC

@angryattackkittens

"I'm not touching the prostate thing"

Interesting choice of words even if your DH asks you nicely?

Bloody hell.

I know I’ve been away for a while but what happened around here?

Interesting new influx of posters 👍

its clear as day and there are other users in other posts who confirm this, that mumsnet is full of trolls and troll hunters and you hate on those who are transgender

Hi 👋 nice to meet you.

I blame the weather...

J4nice I think your attitude (and actions) are wrong. Touche.

I post about the safety of women and children and their rights to utilise sex segregated spaces. You just want to come along and berate us for holding those views. A TIM is a man and I for one will not be fighting for their access to services, they appear more than capable themselves.

Hi J4nice

Not sure you've got the hang of freedom of speech, or hate crime, yet! But welcome n

@spontaneousgiventime

J4nice I think your attitude (and actions) are wrong. Touche.

I post about the safety of women and children and their rights to utilise sex segregated spaces. You just want to come along and berate us for holding those views. A TIM is a man and I for one will not be fighting for their access to services, they appear more than capable themselves.

I hold a GRC I am a woman and to call me or anyone a TIM is offensive and wrong and done to cause distress and anxiety / upset

you have been reported

But gender critical views being a drain on the tax payer is a new one. You have to give J4nice at least the 3/10 for originality. I mean, this could lead to a whole new line of attack. Who knew that being pro-woman might put a penny on income tax?

Freedom of speech allows discussion as to whether the law should be changed but putting down a specific group of people is not free speech