Where do we draw the trans line....?

[loveyouradvice]

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

J4nice you might want to look up what an "idiom" is. Nobody called you a pig. Somebody used an idiom.

idioms.thefreedictionary.com/squeal+like+a+stuck+pig

Re: screaming/squealing andi pig

idiom
ˈɪdɪəm/Submit
noun
1.
a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g. over the moon, see the light ).

I hope this is of assistance to legal scholars who, despite their considerable academic expertise, nonetheless seem to lack some comprehension of conversational norms.

Reading over the posts and linking certain MN user to tweets and other topics it's clear their agender is to stir hate and to push legislation that will prevent woman like myself from using bathrooms so that we are in danger of abuse and being harmed because other hateful men like some of the posters on here threatened and harass woman like me

You are also lying to the public by saying that woman like me go through sanitary product bins as a fetish

You make this up to push your hate driven agenda and to cause distress and tension in public places

You have no valid fears because woman like me who have had surgery are of no risk in public places

@LangCleg again more insults because that's all feminists seem to like to do is insult those who have disabilities like myself

J4Nice You might like to look here for what some TIM's do.

I've been misgendered on here when people have called me Jezza, please excuse me one minute while I flounce off and report it to Mumsnet.

I'm misgendering my own self with my username every time I post! I win, right?!

@spontaneousgiventime I am not interested in seeing the browsing habits of feminists who abuse me like you have done

J4nice If you spared a single second to think about biological women and what many go through, THEN you would really understand abuse. So forgive me if I take your claims of abuse due to me calling you a TIM with a rather large pinch of salt.

@LangCleg usernames I am glad you brought this up, the theme on MN is that users either take on other people's usernames or use common words to hide their online trolling because I believe they live in fear so are more privacy driven

That is why you chose your username becauae MN users stir hatred towards others and are scared so they hide behind random usernames every single time

Please refrain from calling me a TIM @spontaneousgiventime

You don't give a through to the abuse we go through, I've been pushed, kicked, attacked in the street by angry men telling me to suck them and called offensive words like T.I.M I've been threatened, intimidated all for walking down the street

What you are doing is just as bad

So your real name is J4nice then, that a very unusual choice. Or is it just you that should be afforded privacy?

J4nice - Please refrain from calling me a TIM

Nope.

LangCleg and JuzzaL, I was misgendered a couple of years ago by an employee of London Transport. The employee looked me up and down (I have quite the curvy figure and was wearing a dress; my sex was not in question) and said "Yes, sir?"

I fell about laughing.

It also happened to me once in a Chinese restaurant in Montreal. But I had very short hair (the result of a bad haircut), was wearing a unisex-style jacket and had my back turned to the employee.

Again, it was minor. But, hey, I'm an adult and reacted like an adult.

My philosophy is (warning - metaphor ahead): Don't get in the mud with the pig. You'll only get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.

The guidelines on mumsnet clearly state no personal attacks, I have been personally attacked on this tread, insulted time and time again, attacked by being called a T.I.M which is highly offensive but it's clear to me that personal attacks go unpunished if they are aimed at the trans community

Please remove the posts referring to me a a TIM and the insults

Thank you @netmums

Cross-posted with JuzzaL. I get bronze!

J4nice

Dome transwomen are rapists and child sex abusers - would you force their victims to call them her/she and their female name - especially when the crimes were committed before the identified as women or got a GRC?

I'm way, way, way down the list, my name is non binary.

Now I know where Giuliana went when the twitter account was deleted 🤪
As highly entertaining as this thread is, it’s time for you to stop making an utter fool of yourself here j4nice.
It’s quite pathetic and we can see right through you.

Yeah, yeah. That's what you want us to believe, Spontaneous.

(Why is it I never see transwomen challenging men over their abusive behaviour towards them? It's men that beat, rape and murder transwomen, yet it's women you see as the enemy. )

It's woman who also rape and murder and they have done and still do

There are cases of woman raping other woman and woman who have put a steapon on and duped other woman in to sex

You only have to turn on Netflix to see woman killers

Woman also are violent I've seen news articles and cases where woman have beaten and attacked others

Your argument is weak and flawed