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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where do we draw the trans line....?

712 replies

loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2018 15:52

spontaneous I have pointed that out to MNHQ! Smile

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 15:52

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J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:53

@spontaneousgiventime saying that I make the noises of a PIG can't be interpreted any other way and you falsely claim this was because a woman had stood me up which again is offensive and degrading

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:53

J4nice EXCELLENT Hopefully they will send me a copy and I'll see it for the first time.

GibbertyFlibbert · 04/06/2018 15:53

"An example, under law you could be refused a job as a rape counsellor to females, even if you have a GRC, because you are not female"

Actually not true. There is no doubt about sex. Rather there is a recognition that circumstances matter and that rape centres occasionally need a certain amount of discretion based on appearance. That is very different

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:55

CuriousaboutSamphire Yeah, I'm just reporting now. You can't argue with stupid.

Sarahconnor1 · 04/06/2018 15:57

It's all about J4nice isn't it. MNHQ are responding to reports on this very thread this afternoon. One of your post was deleted because of what you implied I had said. Anything to say about my offence and distress caused by that post. Or does that not count?

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:57

@JuzzaL No your use of gender related insults is disgusting I find T.I.M offensive as do other individuals yet you all carry on such conduct

A malicious communication is a message or communication that was intended to cause distress or upset, that is what you are doing by calling me a TIM and calling me a man

Please stop or face the legal consequences of your actions

GibbertyFlibbert · 04/06/2018 15:57

Talk guidelines = no personal attacks

Misgendering someone is a personal attack so reported

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 15:58

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spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 15:58

Please stop or face the legal consequences of your actions

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:59

They can delete the posts you made but they can't delete the pdfs that I have proving the abuse I've received on here and continue to receive

J4nice · 04/06/2018 15:59

Again national law which is in conflict so There for it does not apply under international law

Sarahconnor1 · 04/06/2018 16:00

It was your post that was deleted. Yours.

J4nice · 04/06/2018 16:00

International law trumps national law 😁

ScarletBegonias · 04/06/2018 16:01

I thought half term was last week?

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 16:01

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J4nice · 04/06/2018 16:02

@Sarahconnor1 the harassing posts against me where deleted but i have pdf copies of those

The OP who referred to me as sounding like a PIG and that Its because I was rejected by woman

I have copies of this

You can only conclude that he is calling me a PIG because pigs make PIG sounds

LangCleg · 04/06/2018 16:02

rape centres occasionally need a certain amount of discretion based on appearance

Oh my good god. Have you any self awareness at all? Can you not see what a crass and offensive thing to say this is?

J4nice · 04/06/2018 16:03

@ScarletBegonias more trolling I guess they let you off school because kids troll

Yambabe · 04/06/2018 16:04

FFS. So you're offended? Fine. Be offended. Nothing will happen. Or you could, you know, get over yourself.

To put it into context, I am fat. I know I'm fat, I've been fat for many years. Yet some people still seem to think that telling me I'm fat is some kind of a put-down or insult, and will send me racing away to rock and cry in a safe space. Nope. More "is that the best you can do?"

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 16:04

Oh Lordy lord. I laughed at all this yesterday, I'm off again. Dontcha just love these posts? Hats off to MNHQ for keeping a straight face.

GibbertyFlibbert · 04/06/2018 16:04

No that is explanatory notes and has no legal standing

J4nice · 04/06/2018 16:04

@LangCleg

rape centres occasionally need a certain amount of discretion based on appearance

I never said anything like this, you are lying

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 16:05

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