Where do we draw the trans line....?

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Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

I now have an appointment with my MP booked, to address these concerns

Wow. Exceptional legal expertise now. I hope all these increased costs to the taxpayer are going to the highest earners - you know, the type of people who have exceptional legal expertise!

"I've not seen anyone try to silence you. But if you are not an activist of any kind (or a troll) why did you to choose to post on a part of the forum that is specific to womens' rights rather than in one of the other topics that interest you?"

I am here as a woman. I guess J4nice is too.

I do not support stiring of hate gainst any race, gender or protected group of peoplr No, you just want to shout at peoplr [sic] of the sex female.

Try to remember we are Gender Critical Feminists, for the main part. We don't believe gender is anything other than a social construct, it has no independent existence, you can't point at it ad say 'that is a gender'

J4nice - Let me help you out. Here is the post I made, you can find it in situ on page 12. I did not call you a pig I called you a TIM and I stand by that.

J4nice Oh do behave. You came on here throwing your weight around and are now squealing like a stuck pig because the women here stood up to you.

"You do not have the same rights as females, because you are not one."

I think you are demonstrating why getting an unambiguous offence on the statue books prohibiting deliberate misgendering, like New York has, is important. I am sure J4nice can suggest that to her MP

I don't get screenshots

The Gender Recognition Act is clear: sex is recognised" for all purposes", as it should be because it is a correction not a change. That is why it is the Gender Recognition Act not the Gender Reassignment Act

Hmm. So why isn't it the Sex Recognition Act then?

I am equally taking advice on statements like this which are clearly legally false and cause obvious offence

Maybe I should take legal advice because of the allegations you made in a post directed at me which were also false and caused me great distress.

See how this works, fun isn't it.

J4nice I would like to ask, why can't I have a GRC or transition into a woman?

Oh yeah, because I am a woman.

Sorry Gibberty, my last post was in reference to J4nice not you, don't want any confusion.

@JuzzaL again the law states that everyone is equal before the law

Everyone means everyone you obviously don't know how to research the law

@spontaneousgiventime I have gone through the tread and you did compare me to a PIG which is offensive

@spontaneousgiventime your comments from the get go have been offensive and are chasing distress and anxiety

There is no justification for your last post other than it was intdended to cause me upset like your pig insult

@MNHQ Would you please confirm or deny there was a post made by me calling J4nice a pig please. Thank you.

You can't have, they were busy with the deletions around that time, I got zubbed just after your non accusation. They'd have had the report and read your post and gone meh !

@JuzzaL I am a woman and to keep misgendering me when I've told you of the impact of this and using the word TIM is down right abusive and hateful and as bad as using racial insults

CuriousaboutSamphire Of course I didn't, the post I've re-posted up-thread is the one J4nice is referencing. They have read it wrongly and the victim mentality is now in full swing to hide the fact. I'm not putting up with it.

@JuzzaL Yes you could because if you claim I'm not a woman then neither are non of you

@spontaneousgiventime I have not read it wrong I have a copy if it in pdf format right here alpbf with the 17 or so other pages for my MP to see

Let's not return to the racial insults again... I might have to get deleted again

And you know you won't get any of us to say you are right! We know what a Legal Fiction is, we know why they exist. You have paperwork which gives you access to additional rights and protections. That piece of paper does not change your genes, you biology remains male!

When you finally understand that knowing that and saying it out loud is not a crime here in the UK, is only ever punished by an out of control algorithm on Twitter, you might realise that we won't stop saying it, believing it and posting it. Then you might choose another forum to bother for a while.

Can I suggest one full of men... they won't be as polite as us, but you might see what real hate speech is! Then you can come back and apologise to us!