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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where do we draw the trans line....?

712 replies

loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

OP posts:
Sarahconnor1 · 03/06/2018 17:58

Bowlofbabelfish

Netball. Navy knickers... oh the horror, in a cold, northern playground. Corned beef legs all round.

Shit, did you go to the same school as me?

GeorgeFayne · 03/06/2018 18:23

Can I just send a thank you from the good ol' USA for the entertainment provided here? Sick baby, non-stop nursing (yup, a function of being a woman), but this thread has me cracking up. The garden implements! Love it!

But seriously, given that reading/posting on MN is an entirely optional activity, why does J4nice keep coming back for more if he is feeling so hurt? The line about legal action almost caused me to have a little accident. (Just another lovely consequence of womanhood and childbearing!)

Bowlofbabelfish · 03/06/2018 18:29

Shit, did you go to the same school as me?
Grin seriously though, navy knickers... in case anyone saw our sinful, sinful pantsConfused

fmsfms · 03/06/2018 18:31

"I am a expert in human rights and european law so I am just wondering what you will say......"

everyone on this forum is an expert. My favourite is @PicassosPaintbrush who is both ex military and an expert on pay.

But considering your ludicrous definition of "hate crime" I find your expertise difficult to believe

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:34

you are causing distress & anxiety to the trans community and this must stop.

Oh, no!

Ereshkigal · 03/06/2018 18:34

everyone on this forum is an expert. My favourite is @PicassosPaintbrush who is both ex military and an expert on pay.

She is though!

ReluctantCamper · 03/06/2018 18:38

yeah, no reason to believe PicassosPaintbrush is anyone other than who she says she is.

also, when you @ someone it sends them an email which is considered rude round these parts without good reason.

obviously if you meant to be rude then as you were.

Bowlofbabelfish · 03/06/2018 18:38

everyone on this forum is an expert.

Isn’t it wonderful? You can ask if anyone is a specialist in late 18th century cat grooming techniques and there’s someone who has written a thesis on it who can answer your exact question. Ditto obstetrics, car repair, military matters, history, geography, stereochemistry. Anything.

Oh wait... you’re being sarcastic...?

Yes of course god forbid that women have careers, or achieve expert status in anything. Silly little women.

What are you an expert in then? Apart from dive bombing for chips?

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:39

Believe me I am reporting and considering my legal options

Biscuit
TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:40

I am consdiering reporting you to the authorties now, this is ongoing harassment and abusive, Is a hate crime. I am a woman, the governmetn says I am a woman, my birth certification, grc, and ID says I am female

Have another Biscuit.

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:41

At the same time, you cannot legislate belief. You cannot actually change sex, that is a fact, and you cannot threaten people on here with legal action for stating a fact or an opinion.

If you think that people disagreeing politely with you on the web is a threat, you need to reasses and step away from the internet. Opinions are not violence.

Agreed.

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:43

I'm not sure what J4nice intended when they decided to post on here. But everytime this happens it just reaffirms my views.

Yes. The poster's contributions to this thread just push me further to objecting to TRAs and TRA ideology.

JuzzaL · 03/06/2018 18:44

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/06/2018 18:45

We know a song about that Smile

Hooray, Hooray,
It's another TRA
We'll have lots of fun
Peak Trans everyone
Happy TERFY day

(OK, that last line needs a bit of work Smile )

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/06/2018 18:48

It's also odd that J4 didn't seem to understand when I replaced TIM with cis. When it was as J4 wrote it, it was asserting that misgendering was a hate crime. But when I pointed out that cis would also be a hate crime, as it too misgenders, well J4 was perplexed.

(Did you see how careful I was there? Saintly, that's what I am)

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:50

*Women: We're a bit worried about violent male people in our private spaces.

TRA: Fucking bigot TERF, you need a punch. Suck my dick. I'm going to report you to the police for hate crimes.

Excellent.

And, CuriousaboutSamphire, your ditty made me laugh.

(Gee. I hope the word 'ditty' isn't triggering. I don't want to be reported for mis-linguisting.) Grin

My suggestion is to let the poster have h* fun and just ignore h. That will be more painful for h than engaging with h*.

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:51

J4 was perplexed

In case the poster in question read that post, you might want to replace it with a simpler word so that the they can understand. You terf, you. Grin

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:53

It's funny how they say misgendering and not being allowed to use the women's facilities causes anxiety and triggers dysphoria, while not giving a jot about how their presence may genuinely cause women and children distress, especially in a refuge.

Because it's all about MEMEMEMEMEMEME what I want and the hell with everyone else, you miserable gardening implements. Grin

ChickenMe · 03/06/2018 18:54

Totally bonkers
I suggest we all hand ourselves in at the local nick

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/06/2018 18:57

Miss Linguist? Isn't that a TRA name? Grin

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 18:59

It does sound like a drag queen name, CuriousaboutSamphire.

Bowlofbabelfish · 03/06/2018 19:00

This one didn't last long though. An early withdrawal, rather than a dramatic flounce. 4.0 at best.

Is quality dropping? I feel like we aren’t seeing the truly fabulous flouncing coupled with torrents of misogynistic abuse so much at the moment.

Hoe hoe hoe... (chuckle.)

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/06/2018 19:01

I think you're right. We broke it too soon Sad

TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 19:02

Apart from dive bombing for chips?

Where do we draw the trans line....?
TerfsUp · 03/06/2018 19:03

I think we need a 'hoe' icon to save J's blushes in the future.