No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

[CaitlynsCat]

abc30.com/3514544/

'It says the shelter requires them to shower in groups, and it opened its doors to a person who identified themself as a transgender woman who made lewd and sexually inappropriate comments, and leered at them while they were naked.

"This is the biggest fear they bring up, that you're going to have people who may not even be transgender in bathrooms and settings where people are naked and their privacy rights are being violated," said Peter Kapetan, who filed the lawsuit on behalf of the women.

Poverello House administrators tell Action News federal law says they have to treat a person identifying as a woman as a woman -- and there's no way to test whether it's true.'

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The women say they repeatedly complained to staff members, but were told if they didn't respect the person's decision to identify as a woman, and if they refused to take showers at the same time, they'd get kicked out of the shelter.
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'Karen Adell Scot, a local transgender advocate, even offered to train Naomi's House employees on how to recognize people just pretending to identify as the opposite gender.'

O & of course resources... any ideas how well-staffed this type of homeless charity is likely to be?

Abusers being 'not true trans' is kind of the point.

We don't have to come up with ideas about how to solve the problem of males abused by males. It's a male problem.

No, to entering women's spaces. Accept that, and women might come up with suggestions of how to campaign for your own spaces, SMG.

Even if he’d behaved impeccably there is no way most women would feel comfortable showering in front of a male stranger.

Even SMG admits this.

US girl's comment on her school and courtcase:
'Girls and boys shouldn't do everything together | Opinion'

"I don’t have a problem sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as transgender — provided they are the same sex I am. I do have trouble with a policy that says anyone who’s in an opposite-sex mood today can stroll in and observe me in my intimate moments — and with school officials who value the feelings of a few students more than the dignity and privacy of all those in their care.

It’s my hope that the judges who may hear our case going forward will understand that better than our school administrators have — and take more seriously their responsibility to protect girls’privacy where it should be most protected: in the girls’ room.

Alexis Lightcap is a student at Boyertown Area Senior High School and a plaintiff in the lawsuit Doe v. Boyertown Area School District."

www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/boyertown-transgender-bathroom-lgbtq-gender-identiy-philadelphia-suburbs-20180524.html

I know it's not what you said. I extrapolated both what I think you meant and the logical conclusion of transactivist policies like those of Swim England.

Lol extrapolated. Or did you exaggerate what I wrote to try and discredit me? Like usual.

you obviously aren't familiar with safeguarding - you can't put lockable doors in where there is a high risk of harm such as attack or suicide.

You can use ligature resistant doors and doors that can be unlocked easily by staff from the outside. This particular charity seems to have used curtains to protect privacy, which might be working well now - you have no idea if it isn't. Even homeless people in a shelter are allowed privacy. I assumed they weren't all on 24hr suicide watch.

I also explicitly referred to UK where the law is different and such person wouldn't have been put in the showers at the same time. In fact I don't know why the US charity had to put them in at the same time. Maybe this will highlight their strange laws.

I normally ignore your comments, but accidentally read one.

I normally read yours. If I ignored comments that I disagreed with, disliked even, I wouldn't read 90% of the board. But I do. I think that's to my credit.

How about excluding all people with penises? Radical concept for sure!

When appropriate you can. As stated I was referring to the uk.

Holy fuck SMG just keep male bodied people out! Jesus we are back to asking HR for baskets of tampons. Keep men out. Find another way to solve your problem.

You can use ligature resistant doors and doors that can be unlocked easily by staff from the outside

In a small homeless project run by a charity... any concept of how these type of projects are run or funded?

It's not the charity's problem to solve

Abusers being 'not true trans' is kind of the point.

I don't think whether someone has committed sexual abuse or not is any part of the definition of being trans. Any more than someone smoking should not be "true" trans or someone voting Labour isn't "true" trans. It's entirely orthogonal.

How do you mean

My point is: TRA say no one will abuse it so it won't happen
It happens
TRA say it wasn't a true TW i.e. Someone was abusing it
Which is what we've been saying all along

I don't actually need to have a point of view to point out that this is self-contradictory

Not being true trans seems to mean:

You're making it up to gain access to opposite sex spaces,

You've done something that makes transgenderism look bad (eg this homeless shelter person or Ian Huntley)

Or you're a detransitioner.

They have all said "I am transgender" and they all get accused of being not true trans, so how is anyone supposed to know who is and who isn't truly transgender.

At least you can tell someone's sex and their sex is immutable so we should just stick with that when need be.

Not being trans enough means doing or saying something against the TRA dogma.

Accept that, and women might come up with suggestions of how to campaign for your own spaces, SMG.

I already do have my own spaces thank you.

It's not the charity's problem to solve

It is when they have a duty of care to all their clients.

What does orthogonal mean ?

Like, right angles. It's a sort of way of saying the two things aren't related.

It is when they have a duty of care to all their clients.

There is a need for services for all people who are homeless. Individual ones are usually limited eg with a local connection, single homeless people who do not have statutory provision, young people, homeless people with additional needs eg drug and alcohol issues

Most services have historically evolved and become specialised in the support they provide in each facility. This has been good in so far that they are best able to meet the specific needs of their 'clients' or service users.

Lol extrapolated. Or did you exaggerate what I wrote to try and discredit me?

It's really not all about you.

It would be very problematic if people who were homeless were able to self-identify as being younger than they were, had a local connection that they didn't or a history of serving with the armed forces when they hadn't.

I already do have my own spaces thank you.

What spaces are those if you don't mind me asking?

I don't mind you asking no. But I didn't join to talk about my personal life (although issues discussed on here affect us all of course in one way or another).