Feminism contradicts an equalist society: discuss

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I’ve been watching a lot of threads lately and I have come to the conclusion that; feminism in its earliest form was a beacon of light in an unjust era. Fighting against clear inequality between genders. My question is, as the gaps reduce into non existence should we begin to describe ourselves as equalist as opposed to feminists.

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Thoughts?

It's more than explicit stats and quotas - what about the role of care and how women are now expected to be equal wage earners yet the burden of care still falls to them? Hardly equal.

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Virtually zero inequalities?? Bollocks! Do 54,000 men a year lose their jobs because of becoming a parent?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/work/maternity-discrimination-is-pushing-women-out-of-work---and-its/

Are 2 men a week killed by their female partners?

I don’t disagree with the realities of this point, just that the burden of care between couples is simply that “between couples”. I do disagree with confusing expectation vs reality. “Expectations” are essentially algorithms that give generalisations. By being picky about small details such as the burden of care we completely miss that this is a negotiation between individuals in individual circumstances. We can’t assume that men don’t live up to the burden of care when called upon to do so.

This is a conversation we could have after women are liberated maybe?

When medicine is made with the female body in mind and females are treated as well as men in hospitals. When we are paid as well and work that is occupied by women isn't devalued. When women being mistreated isn't used for men and boys to wank to. When women aren't sold for sex. When girls mental health issues are addressed and taken seriously. When women's sports are taken seriously. When females are represented equally in all positions of power. When films and tv and art are as representative of women as they are of men. When 2 women are not murdered by males in the uk each week.

So much more to do too but after that's all sorted we could have a chat.

Theybuilttgepyramids- I come from a domestic abuse childhood. I understand why people can be upset about it. However, it has nothing to do with my OP. My post is simply trying to push forward and innovate feminism into a fresh beacon. Feminism has become stale, by pushing forward with equalism we may just improve things for all...instead of one group.

Seahorsesarehorses. I’m not trying to understate what still has to be done. Just that the main pro of feminism is allegedly equality for all. It’s biggest con is the miss use of all. I know of many men in similar situations as you stated. I know of a man that did not get a job because he was a man and the board needed a women to be equal. This was despite the interveiwer actually stating that the man was probably the more appropriate applicant. Not worlds away either. This was in the NHS. I believe most of your points have also passed the tipping point that although there is still a lot to do, the momentum behind the movement is such that equal rights is inevitable. This applies to positions of power, sport and mental health. I’m not going to argue against sex as that is still a huge problem

Just that the main pro of feminism is allegedly equality for all.

Nope.

What about sexual abuse? Still a massive problem in schools which shows that this issue is not really going away.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/dec/12/are-we-ignoring-an-epidemic-of-sexual-violence-in-schools

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/may/29/lewd-comments-upskirting-women-teachers-sexual-harassment

Meanwhile government reports suggest 86% of austerity cuts have fallen on women. Great thread here about Universal Credit and Domestic abuse.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244817-Universal-credit-domestic-abuse

Interested that the only inequaloties between males and females in the under 30 age group are "choice" differences

Could you indicate where this information comes from and what it includes?

Like others have suggested, does that choice include choosing to be raped?

And secondly the whole "chooses" is a bit yikes. Are you saying that women today choosing not to do physics is a totally free choice and that it has nothing to do with any external pressures or discriminatory influences? if you manipulate someone into behaving a certain way it can be viewed as a type of abuse. So if society manipulates people to choosing certain options, that is also abuse.

I know of a man that did not get a job because he was a man and the board needed a women to be equal.

And you have never heard of a case where a woman was the best candidate but the board thought she might get pregnant and not be able to devote the time etc. so it was preferable to choose a man?

No, never happened of course.

Just that the main pro of feminism is allegedly equality for all

That's Marxism.

Feminism's different.

No, never happened of course.

Nope.

I think it's been estimated somewhere that equality will take 70 to 100 years at current rate of progress ...and there are plenty of people who would like the current rate of progress reduced to 0

Usually men. Or women who love to please. They often say that equality is pretty well achieved already.

I think those numbers are the range for participation at high level In Different stem subjects, but that an international organisation gets similar numbers looking at a wider range of equality measures . I had a browser tab clearout recently so haven't got the references to hand

40% of managers admit to avoiding hiring women in their 20's or 30's:

www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/12/managers-avoid-hiring-younger-women-maternity-leave

OP, FWR isn't an exam we're sitting. You don't get to instruct us to "discuss".

You know it's going to be a load of utter bollocks when the OP sounds like a joke Oxford board essay question.

I prefer: "Discuss the contention that Cleopatra had the body of a roll-top desk and the mind of a duck." (R.Atkinson).

Closing the wage gap is a middle class obsession. It does nothing for working class women who won't be able to make the same 'choices' as their MC 'sisters.' Even if there was 50/50 representation on the boards of the FTSE 100 do you think this would 'trickle down' to the poorest women in society? When liberal feminists seem to be pushing the pro-prostitution agenda as the solution to poverty? Nah mate.

For my man not being employed because they are a man. I am more than aware this is more prevelant in women. As for pregnancy being the motivation behind this. I disagree with employers not employing women based on the potential for maternity leave, however if I was a small business owner and my financial profit needed full time staff all the time. I would make the choice not to employ them. Controversial but I wouldn’t expect people to destroy the own lives and that of the family just to say you are fair.

Extreme example and not likely to happen but just to give scope to the other side of the coin.

OP "Two women a week are killed by their male partners." Discuss.

Pay gap only really exists as women as a whole choose to earn less. Choose to work part time more often than men do.

Unfortunately this is a fact. The choice for that is individual and based on many variables within a couple.

We are getting away from what is the consensus of not being feminists but being equalists?

Mldgebabe. Thanks for the input. Very interesting and well reasoned point. I will have a hunt for the references at some point. My social studies students will be very interested.

You assume that everybody is free to make choices in an equal society. Obviously not true. You are deliberately ignoring sexual violence and physical abuse because you have no way to explain this away if we live in an equal society, as you are arguing. Who sells sex and who buys sex? Is that statistic equal OP?

We are getting away from what is the consensus of not being feminists but being equalists?

Have you read the replies? A resounding NO it seems, because your premise:

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

is wrong. People are showing you evidence so that you can understand it is wrong.

Bertrandrussell. Men are two times more likely to be murdered than women. This is when you take into account all murders nationally. Although women are more likely to die in domestic situations we can’t judge an entire population based on this statistically insignificant number.

Disclaimer, I do not premote domestic abuse it’s just simply to state that respect for women on all levels is more important than. Domestic abuse related deaths that are of small number