Feminism contradicts an equalist society: discuss

[Equalist1]

I’ve been watching a lot of threads lately and I have come to the conclusion that; feminism in its earliest form was a beacon of light in an unjust era. Fighting against clear inequality between genders. My question is, as the gaps reduce into non existence should we begin to describe ourselves as equalist as opposed to feminists.

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Thoughts?

Finalised? Indented? For God's sake stop writing and start reading so you can improve your prose style. Your poor bloody students. No wonder sociology has such a poor reputation - wonderful subject but I hate to think what your students end up writing. Especially if that load of old cobblers by your student was graded highly by you.

I specifically discussed reducing the rate of male offending down to that of women.

Yes, me too - it would be good for women but even better for men. So, OP, why don't you put your equalist effort into doing something usefully equalist like that rather than wasting people's time telling feminists not to bother with feminism?

Assasinatedbeauty They are out of date. But that’s not saying they are targeting the wrong areas. The approach is what is wrong. You want to reduce male crime to rates of women. That makes sense, but a better way of damaging it would be that; you want to reduce incidence of crime. I’m not saying that domestic violence isn’t an important topic to combat, it’s just not a priority as there are more prevelant crimes. At the end of the day domestic violence is caused by many different variables but the main one is a lack of good parenting. Instead of saying it’s an issue actively try to fix it.

But that's exactly my point op. Care is associated with women, bodily professions and actions are classed as lower, and society and thinking is skewed towards autonomy, mental work and individuality. By having to choose between work and family, an injustice is done. It is the choice between mental work and bodily work. You say it is a choice we need to make, either sex, but why? Why is society set up so those who care and a relational and context based lose out?

I’m going have to go now, I think you are right. This is a bit of a waste of time. You can’t change the mind of the small minded easily. Please as a group ask yourselves is your view of the world right? You are all focusing on irrelevant issues. If you give a stray dog a bone it will always come back for more. Stop feeding each other, feminism is turning ugly. Look at recent approval polls done in America. Feminism came below Donald trump. Easy google search.

When feminism is losing traction to something like that there is clearly something wrong. I’m not going to generalise and say it’s all feminists. And it certainly isn’t all the feminists commenting on this thread. We as a group need to discourage aggressive feminsim. Dialogue matters. Example would be Djlippy and assasinatedbeauty among others. Small minded irrelevant stupidiy. OP out

At the end of the day domestic violence is caused by many different variables

Blimey. There was me me thinking it was down to one partner asserting control in an abusive fashion.

Are you aware of the sheer number of women affected by domestic violence? You don’t seem to be.

Sociology teacher did you say..?

Amazing!

Ah well, what I have taken from that is;

• It’s definitely true that some teachers struggle to not see the world as their classroom, AND

• There is zero point in trying to earnestly engage a poster of this kind as they just conclude this is evidence of their view being superior.

OP out

Oh no! .

" I've always thought of ducks as kind of sinister (their sex lives - no. Just no......."
Although subject of famous paper: " "The First Case of Homosexual Necrophilia in the Mallard Anas platyrhynchos (Aves: Anatidae)".......
which has been turned into an opera, and the chaps museum now has a Dead Duck Day........ I LOVE the Ig Nobels .

I think someone upthread (apols!) has come up with a much better question -- If true equalism as regards offending rates between males and females were achieved, crime rates could plummet overnight. Why hasn't this happened? Discuss.........................

I am also pondering the preponderance of objects of furniture as regards roll-top desk and writing desk? Was Atkinson paying homage to Lewis Carroll, why Cleopatra rather than a raven? And why is a raven like a writing desk, and why does the question continue to intrigue us???????

If you believe in 'equalism' and consider feminism to be passe and irrelevant, then why not simply focus your attentions on that?

If you believe that men, either individually or as a class, are disadvantaged in certain areas, then why not simply focus on addressing those issues, where you see that they exist?

In the meantime, we will get on with the feminist business of the liberation of women and girls from patriarchy.

I’m going have to go now

Cake to ice?

Please don’t, it’s been fun.

Oh. I am too late... Bother....

That flounce was signposted a mile off. Honestly I wish one of these dudes that goes on about equalism would just actually read the responses and think about them. Instead they've got a script that they plough through regardless of the responses.

Thankfully I don't believe the OP is a teacher, otherwise I'd be even more concerned about the state of education in the UK.

Oh dear, bye OP. I don't think it's us that are small minded.

If you can't take the heat...

I believe OP could be a teacher TBH, some of DS’s teachers are like this actually. School is at the edge of the council estate. Teachers in naive schools maybe not but teachers in schools in poor areas which have failed ofsted inspections, can’t recruit or retain teachers and have been forcibly made into academies to ‘improve standards’ yep yep... schools like DS’s have teachers like this...

Considering the state of education in the UK I'm not surprised.

I've worked in secondary schools teaching maths, science, English, history. I don't have any qualifications. They are literally teaching children in corridors...

*naice!!

So Equalist comes on here and says 'I’m not saying that domestic violence isn’t an important topic to combat, it’s just not a priority as there are more prevelant crimes," and then chides us by saying "you are all focusing on irrelevant issues." On Equalist's view, issues that affect women are considered too niche to be given any priority. Domestic violence? Nah, let's tackle the problem of dog shit on the street first. Rape? Eh, super rare. What's the fuss. Intimate partner murders? Too few of them to really hit the radar. What's that old cliche? Whenever someone bitches online about feminism it demonstrates why feminism is necessary. Sorry, Equalist, I think you live in a completely topsy-turvy world if you think that dog shit on the streets (!) is more of an issue than women being raped and murdered.

“evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women”

What evidence?

Please don’t tell me I have to come onto a feminist board and defend state education! I can’t cope with the cross contamination of my hobby horses......

Meh your message basically is

"You are doing feminism wrong. You are focusing on the wrong issues.
I haven't actually thought about what issues you should tackle or what you should do(except for a vague "equalism" bs) . I know a man...and he was treated like shit so everything is equal and domestic violence is irrelevant.
I just came in here you to tell you you're wrong,all wrong!"

Well if we're wrong,then you're an offensive,trolling,goady twat!

Maybe chat to women in refuges and Women’s Aid instead of prostitutes to find out just how irrelevant domestic abuse is! Twat!

Maybe we should get our basic equalist terms laid out ready for the next one?

For starters:

1. males must reduce levels of violence to that of females.
2. males and females to commit to equal hours and effort of work, where 'work' includes paid employment, necessary domestic tasks, care of dependents.

To equal society men must not:

Be violent
Be dismissive of work in the home environment they gladly and happily set up with their partner
Be acutely aware of the pay disparity between them and their female workers
Be expecting sex as a given because they are men

As a starter for 10.

Fifteen more marks if you OP can come up with three other things men can do to make society more equal.

Be UNAWARE of the pay disparity

Oh, it's almost like he had an agenda.