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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Universal credit & domestic abuse

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QuarksandLeptons · 09/05/2018 22:52

Good article in the Financial Times

www.ft.com/content/aaaaf2fa-4c63-11e8-8a8e-22951a2d8493

Brief summary:
10% of the households receiving the benefit are couples. The new system puts it all into one account which means that in the event of it going into the account of a controlling & abusive partner, the abusive partners can end up not sharing the money, leaving women and children vulnerable. There are cases documented of women and children going hungry and not having money for nappies or sanitary items.
Worse, women & children end up being forced to stay in dangerous circumstances because they don’t have the money to leave.

How can changes like these be made to the system without thinking through the real life consequences to huge numbers of women & children? Surely, this would have been flagged up if relevant women’s groups had been asked to comment on proposed changes

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QuarksandLeptons · 09/05/2018 22:52

www.ft.com/content/aaaaf2fa-4c63-11e8-8a8e-22951a2d8493

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MangeLorange · 09/05/2018 23:10

It does seem astonishing that something like this could be set up in this day and age.

Slowtrain2dawn · 09/05/2018 23:11

It was raised by DV charities when UC was developed. And ignored by the government.

AskAuntLydia · 09/05/2018 23:17

It was flagged up.

The government don't care about women and children.

That's it really.

They knew this would happen, but they felt that the financial abuse of women and children is a price worth paying.

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 23:28

We should keep this thread active it's really important @MNHQ

Oldbutstillgotit · 09/05/2018 23:29

My understanding is that in cases of suspected DA, split payments can be requested and made .

StaplesCorner · 09/05/2018 23:33

Yet another thread on the Feminism board that would be better moved to Chat or something where it has a big audience; I had no idea about this.

StaplesCorner · 09/05/2018 23:33

PS - thank you to OP for raising it, on any board.

Badgerthebodger · 09/05/2018 23:37

I had no idea about this, thank you for sharing the article. What a disgustingly horrible way to ensure the most vulnerable are denied their basic needs. It’s all very well saying there is something which can be invoked to get punnets split but nobody is telling me that will be a bureaucratic nightmare that many women in a vulnerable situation will not be able to negotiate. And so, more work falls to underfunded charities to continue to fight for these women. It’s a complete disgrace it was ever suggested in the first place.

Badgerthebodger · 09/05/2018 23:37

Punnets?! Payments!

Badgerthebodger · 09/05/2018 23:38

That wil not be a bureaucratic nightmare. Jeez, must read before posting Hmm

gluteustothemaximus · 09/05/2018 23:45

Things like this were flagged up a while ago, but no one seems to listen.

The government dismiss any such ‘nonsense’.

With the 6 week wait on payments their answer is, ‘you can get a loan to bridge the gap, simple’

With the payment into one account their answer is ‘simply request a split payment’.

But it’s not that simple. It never is.

Shit storm is coming, happened to thousands already. There’s only one reason it’s been staggered in its roll out, and it’s not to iron out teething issues. It’s to avoid poll tax type riots.

The details of UC are fucking horrendous.

But the media will report that it’s doing it’s intended ‘job’.

DJLippy · 09/05/2018 23:51

THIS is the current fire rad fems need to put out. Men in women's changing rooms are one thing but this policy is abusing vulnerable women here and now...

Angryresister · 09/05/2018 23:52

DD in relationship with controlling narcissist male who lives off her incapacity benefit...refuses to clim anything or sign on. He is living free at my expense. I want him to pay his share but with this stuff going on it would only complicate things further. It is so difficult to claim any benefits now it is a shocking indictment of our society..

HelenaDove · 10/05/2018 01:47

ive posted about this on a few threads in AIBU and i know gluteous has to.

the usual suspects seem to think its a price worth paying.

KevinTurvey · 10/05/2018 02:01

It's a bloody disgrace Angry

HelenaDove · 10/05/2018 02:43

In fact when i first joined MN back in 2011 there was a poster called Huntycat who was sounding warnings about several aspects of UC including this one. She got told she was scaremongering by some.

Terfulike · 10/05/2018 03:38

The details of uc are extremely damaging to women and particularly to children.

Unlike with ctc , only 2 children can receive payments. And the first child bonus goes too. NB When you first go onto uc from the old system they top you up so you don't lose anything, but as soon as something changes eg you move house, whoosh, away goes child no.3s money.
They don't cover your complete rent either.
Even if you work part time you have to keep documentary evidence that you're searching for extra work. However, if you have kids they let you off the work search bit.....until they're 1 year old.

When you

Terfulike · 10/05/2018 03:51

As for the benefit cap on uc, where do I start . Even if you are working they put you into penury. If you get less than £430 take home pay then that's it you're fair game. So if your renting privately as a single mum you may find yourself well and truly...well what can I say.

And then there's the policy against seasonal work. With the work allowance rules you can lose out big time if your work isn't spread perfectly evenly throughout the year. And if you work part time in hospitality etc. you best make sure you spread your hours evenly month to month or the same work allowance rules will have you wondering why you bother.

Terfulike · 10/05/2018 03:53

Please note £430/month

Terfulike · 10/05/2018 04:09

I added to this post because all those things happened to my family when we fled my coercive controlling ex. It took me 3 years to get half the money from the FMH. I'm okay now because I own my house without a mortgage. UC is more forgiving to people without rent or mortgages. I just worry about the poor women who haven't got divorce settlement money to speak of.

I'm a bit of an expert on uc because I've been on it for 3 years and have had to contact them about 100 times literally

SandysMam · 10/05/2018 05:27

Bump for this and terrifying to think what life might be like for those women who’s partners won’t give access to the money.
But it’s ok, because they can always go to the food bank Hmm

QuarksandLeptons · 10/05/2018 05:49

Terfulike
I’m so sorry you went through that Flowers

I know it’s a vast and complicated question but as someone with direct experience of it, what do you think we can do to make the system fair to women and children?

The split payment option appears to be totally unusable by women with abusive partners as in order to trigger the split, your partner will be made aware that you have requested it.

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QuarksandLeptons · 10/05/2018 05:55

Text from the FT article

May 8, 2018 11:20 am by Laura Hughes in London

When “Anne” and her family were enrolled in the UK’s new universal credit benefits system, she and her children went hungry.
Instead of helping the family with their expenses, the new lump sum was paid into the bank account of her abusive husband, who “allocated” a tiny amount to her each month.
With the help of friends, Anne (who has asked that her real name not be used) escaped her husband and has applied for her own universal credit. But the process has been torturous, with a staff member at her local jobcentre confessing that she was “unsure of what exactly to do but they’d learn together”.

The idea of universal credit is to simplify the welfare system — to help claimants and to cut fraud — and encourage work, but its rollout has been plagued with delays and the policy has been blamed for increasing hardship. Now experts are warning that the system is increasing the risk of abuse for thousands of women such as Anne by paying money for couples into a single nominated household bank account.
“The new system provides scope for perpetrators of domestic violence to control a victim’s access to money,” said Dr Nicola Sharp-Jeffs, founder and director of the charity Surviving Economic Abuse. “If you have no money, that makes it very difficult to leave, in the sense that you might not be able to afford petrol for your car, a bus, or a train fare.”
Universal credit merges six existing benefits, including housing benefit and child tax credits, into one monthly payment. As of December 2017, 46,000 of the 500,000 households receiving UC were couples, according to the government.

Experts and some MPs are arguing for a “default separate payment” system for couples, which would automatically enable each person to nominate their own bank account. One suggestion for dividing payments is to have the child credit element payable to the main carer, usually the mother, which is currently the case with child tax credits.
Last month the Scottish government adopted a system of automatic split payments, following a campaign led by domestic abuse charities and MSPs.
Theresa May, the prime minister, has so far rejected any change in policy and said in the House of Commons that women can instead request to have their household universal credits payments split.
But a survey of domestic abuse victims by the charity Women’s Aid found almost 85 per cent of respondents feared the abuse would get worse if their partner found out they had asked for their benefit payment to be divided.
“Sara” recounted how her partner would receive all the benefit money and then provide her with “allowances”. Left with no income of her own, she escaped with the support of a few family members. But while she was with her partner, she was too scared to disclose to the case worker at her local jobcentre that she was in an abusive relationship — nor did she know that split payments could be requested.

Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson, director of the UK Women’s Budget Group, said it is “disingenuous” to suggest that women in abusive relationships can simply ask for their own payment, as doing so can put them in danger.
“Our concern is that a single payment reduces women’s access to any sort of independent income and makes them far more vulnerable to economic abuse,” she said.
“Social protection can’t necessarily stop abuse from happening, but it can make it easier or harder. Paying money into that single bank account makes it easier for abusers to assert control.”
Demelza Lobb, technology abuse lead at Refuge, a charity that provides services for women and children escaping domestic violence, said they had already seen women struggling with the new UC system, with the single payment going to the perpetrator and the money “controlled” and “monitored”.
Ruth George, a Labour MP on the Commons work and pensions select committee, criticised the government for introducing a system that could prevent victims of abuse — who are predominantly women — from escaping an abusive relationship.
“Under the UC system, a man is entitled to receive all the money for children, for rent and for childcare, while the woman would have to ask for money each time she needs to buy nappies, food, children’s clothing and shoes, even sanitary items,” she said.

It’s not hard for a man to fill in an online UC claim form and opt to receive all these payments — sometimes thousands of pounds a month — while his partner has to ask him for every expense she pays.”
However, the Department for Work and Pensions said there was no evidence that paying into one account increases the risk of domestic violence.
“Abuse in any form is completely unacceptable, and Jobcentre Plus staff do everything they can to make sure people fleeing domestic abuse get the help they need as quickly as possible.
“That includes fast tracking advances so that people are not left without money and transferring a person’s claim to a different jobcentre.”

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twofloorsup · 10/05/2018 06:12

I know that when I was in an abusive relationship, firstly I wasn't allowed to make phone calls unsupervised by my husband in case I should talk to a man (heaven forbid) Hmm
So even if I had managed to get my payments split it would have alerted him to the fact that I was trying to get away from him.
Which would have meant BIG trouble for me.
I'm free now but I will never ever share finances with a man again.