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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What a day for Irish women

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WhoGetsHeard · 26/05/2018 11:43

All indications for an overwhelming, resounding YES. The images of people leaving their 'I've Voted' stickers on the wall beside Savita's mural, the footage of people coming #hometovote, the vox pops on the radio of older people telling their stories of why they voted Yes. This isn't just about abortion rights. This is about the Magdalen women, the Tuam babies, the forced adoptions, the cervical cancer scandal... It's about women deserving better. An apology. A vindication. A promise for the future.

I am overwhelmed and so, so proud.

#Ta4Mna

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PerkingFaintly · 26/05/2018 23:39

So happy for Ireland. Shedding a little tear seeing those results, district by district.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 27/05/2018 00:10

So very glad!

Republic of Ireland, huge respect!

steven981 · 27/05/2018 11:09

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RedToothBrush · 27/05/2018 11:33

WELL DONE IRELAND AND THANK YOU!

This morning has seen a political development with regard to NI and abortion.

The ECHR have ruled that NI law on abortion is in breach of Human Rights but no political party there tabled an alternative in Stormont because their party membership are generally against reform.

It must be noted that polling suggests that the majority of the public in NI is now in favour of reform. So the political parties are out of step with public opinion.

So the situation in NI has been deadlocked for some time.

May was forced to 'compromise' and allow NI women to get an abortion on the NHS in the rest of the country if they wanted.

But after yesterday, Ireland's vote will put pressure on May to go further. With Stormont suspended and NI effectively under direct rule there is an unique opportunity to do something that the majority in NI would support whilst their political parties are obstructive of the political consensus.

Penny Mordaunt (the current equalities minister ) backed by Amber Rudd, Maria Miller and Justine Greening (the last three equalities ministers) and others have called this morning to reform the law in NI.

Anne Milton has also called for a free vote on the subject. (This would untie May's hands somewhat with the DUP too)

There's also talk of adding an amendment to Domestic Violence Bill which would allow abortion in NI. I believe 140 women MPs have signed up to supporting it (Labour amendment led by Stella Creasy).

This could well also have political mileage because Jacob Rees Moog's Achilles heel is his position on abortion. May could take a gamble to help toxify him as the party realises it needs to be perceived as more liberal in order to win over younger voters.

Plus the government know they need to be careful with changing demographics in NI and the issue of abortion being one that could help unite Ireland too.

My point is that, thanks to the wonderful news in Ireland, the way forward may also be paved in NI too.

Lets hope that change is coming for all.

oakleaffy · 27/05/2018 14:02

What a huge relief for the women of Eire....It is a woman's right to choose what is best for her.

PermissionToSpeakSir · 27/05/2018 14:50

An important step in loosening Patriarchy's grip over women - it will resonate wider than Ireland.

Women's bodies are nobody else's business but our own.

So fuck off men in dresses (in the Vatican)!

honeyrider · 29/05/2018 00:15

Minister for Children Katherine Zappone has said women from Northern Ireland who want abortions will be welcome in Ireland.

squeekums · 29/05/2018 00:46

Well done ireland
Finally women will have true bodily autonomy

squeekums · 29/05/2018 00:57

12esmaes
"Dads and Granddads - saying they were voting yes for the young women in their lives"
They care nothing for the lives that will be ended though do they. Shocking that people are so callous towards the unborn.

They care for life, their wives, sisters, friends, mothers. You know actual living people. If you dont like abortion, dont have one.
You have no right to deny others access to healthcare.
People like you are why people like savita die, are why 14yr old rape victims commit suicide. You deem a fetus is above them, the actual person, its sick, twisted and utterly inhumane

FlaviaAlbia · 29/05/2018 08:36

That's brilliant honeyrider, it feels like we're being included and not left behind.

SidSparrow · 29/05/2018 16:40

How about wear a condom? There are instances where abortion is necessary, i.e. health of the mother, rape, but most of them are because of irresponsibility. I'm a bit sick of all the rejoicing. What about people who can't have kids? I don't agree with abortion as a late method of contraception. Plenty of women have regretted having an abortion, very few regret having children.

SardineReturns · 29/05/2018 17:19

Well I did try to wear a condom once but it wouldn't fit over my head.

HTH.

SardineReturns · 29/05/2018 17:21

Oh do you mean MEN? MEN should wear a condom?

And yet you go on to say it's women who are itrresponsible? Interesting.

Why don't you pop over to a few men's forums and start telling them all to wear condoms & whatever the male version of "shut your legs" is? Have fun, bye!

FermatsTheorem · 29/05/2018 17:45

Sardine I think I love you!

CopONNotLinkedIn · 29/05/2018 18:40

That Bishop Doran is a right arsehole isn't he?

''human rights'' aren't part of catholic doctrine. Wow. The cat is out of the bag. There we have it. Human Rights fly in the face of Catholicism.

Another bishop (D'Arcy) spoke out after his colleague to try and make the Catholic clerics sound less like a bunch of medieval brutes but wow.....

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2018 18:55

I think people are misunderstanding why people are celebrating. It's not yay abortion. It's yay:

Bodily autonomy
Women's rights
Proper healthcare
Reduction of interference in personal decisions
Separation of church and state
Increase in people's compassion for women and girls
Ironically probably a reduction in abortions
No more deaths from stupid medical decisions
No more criminalization of women's choices

All that and more!

Ereshkigal · 29/05/2018 19:49

YY.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/05/2018 21:18

I'm a bit sick of all the rejoicing.

Shorter misogynistic arsehole - when women are happy that pisses me off.

SidSparrow · 29/05/2018 21:28

If you're having sex and you're not ensuring contraception... like asking the man to wear a condom you're probably too immature to be having sex. If a man says he is and he doesn't then that's a whole other and rare story. It's your body so you should be protecting it.

The mysoginistic remark... laughable.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/05/2018 21:30

Does any kind soul have the patience to engage with Sid? Because I can't be arsed.

SidSparrow · 29/05/2018 21:39

I wouldn't bother. My first post doesn't need me to explain any further my feelings on the subject and I'm not too interested in anyone elses opinion on it.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/05/2018 21:41

And yet here you are, still commenting.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2018 23:07

Women have to parent the men they're sleeping with? Nope. Anyone I shag is hopefully an adult and can decide to wear a condom all by themselves.

Unfortunately condoms split, contraception fails, people assault people and you know what, sometimes people are a bit crap at birth control. And they shouldn't be sentenced to an unwanted pregnancy and birth for being a bit shit.

I was a bit crap in my youth. Just lucky.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/05/2018 23:26

Don't forget, a woman's place is in the wrong! If you do forget don't worry, someone else will be along to remind you soon.

SardineReturns · 30/05/2018 16:35

" It's your body so you should be protecting it. "

We have to protect our bodies from men?

Interesting. Not a perspecitve that anti abortion / women are feckless bastards / etc types usually take.

I really dislike the sort of men (assume sid is a man) who come on women's websites to tell women in the feminist section that they are VERY MUCH IN FAVOUR of forcing women and girls into carrying prenancies and giving birth when they absolutely don't want to, and fuck the associated risks (mental health & physical).

If men say we should be punished for "not protecting our bodies from men" (???) then punished we must be.

Of course all over the world women who are denied abortion try to get them anyway at a massive cost in terms of injury & death, including existing children being left without a mother but who cares about they eh? Serves her right.