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Trans women

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Jamiem80 · 19/05/2018 01:07

Probably going to get shot down massively here but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, but nothing about women becoming men. Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?

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thebewilderness · 19/05/2018 21:47

That only actually happens in pop culture comic books and movies. Yanno, fiction.

Nogodsnomasters · 19/05/2018 22:58

Oh wow look who it is.

ToeToToe · 19/05/2018 23:01

Yeah, look who it is.

< waves to thebewilderness > Smile

You cannot change your sex.

Nogodsnomasters · 19/05/2018 23:02

You can change your sex organs. Unless ya know feminists have now decided that sex organs and sex are not the same thing....

thebewilderness · 19/05/2018 23:03

ToeToToe Grin Waves back.

thebewilderness · 19/05/2018 23:05

The vagina is an organ. The neo vagina is a surgically created cavity. Not an organ.

AssassinatedBeauty · 19/05/2018 23:05

You can't change your sex organs, presumably into the opposite sex's organs. You can reconfigure them cosmetically to resemble those of the opposite sex. But you haven't changed their sex or the sex of your whole body.

UpstartCrow · 19/05/2018 23:10

@Nogodsnomasters Remember the recent 'whats the problem with the word hysteria' debacle? It might be an idea to find out what a 'vagina' and a 'neovagina' are, because they are not the same thing.

Nogodsnomasters · 19/05/2018 23:15

And you wonder why you all come across as transphobic? Telling people what they can and cannot do with their sex organs.

"you don't have a real vagina" said in a whiny 5 year olds voice because its okay for you to say that by splitting hairs instead of what you really want to say which is "no matter what you do to yourself we will never accept you as a member of our sex or gender"

AssassinatedBeauty · 19/05/2018 23:21

I'll happily say it explicitly. Trans women are trans women, and regardless of whatever medical or surgical treatments they may have they remain male. As trans men remain female. I fully support anyone in however they wish to present and however masculine or feminine they are.

ToeToToe · 19/05/2018 23:23

Nobody's actually saying what you can and cannot do with your own sexual organs.

We're saying surgery does not mean you actually change sex. You are just emulating the opposite sex. You can take female hormones, artificially, but you cannot go through a female puberty if you are born with XY chromosomes - or vice versa.

thebewilderness · 19/05/2018 23:24

Reality has a well known transphobic bias.
We are just the messengers, d00dbro. We did not give you gender delusional dysphoria.
One of the cruelest things transgender advocates and gender clinics have done is to lie to young dysphoric males about how they can change their sex, all the while knowing it is not humanly possible to do so. It is evil and they need to be stopped.

UpstartCrow · 19/05/2018 23:24

Nogodsnomasters once again you lack crucial background information.
Its a thinking flaw to assume that what you know is all there is to know, and all you need to know.

Maryz · 19/05/2018 23:28

Who said you could change your sex organs?

Of course you can't. You can get a plastic surgeon to make you something similar in shape and possibly appearance to a penis or a vagina, but it won't function as a penis or a vagina therefore it isn't one.

I mean, I can make a penis out of playdough. But it isn't a penis. Human biology 101.

Nogodsnomasters · 19/05/2018 23:28

Well there you are then. "I'll support you masquerading as one of us but you'll never truly be a part of our community/group". I personally find that appalling. It is not acceptance whatsoever and if you're not accepting you're apposing and what is apposing? Anti... Trans.

Datun · 19/05/2018 23:29

It's not splitting hairs! Good grief.

The vagina is an organ. If facilitates the transport of sperm, babies and menstruation. A woman conceives via the vagina. It is self cleaning, muscular and can stretch to the size of a baby's head.

It has a purpose. A purpose that translates directly to the propagation of the species.

What on earth do you think it's for Nogodsnomasters?

AssassinatedBeauty · 19/05/2018 23:32

People don't get to be in groups related to a specific aspect of their humanity on the basis of their wants. See Rachel Dolezal for an example.

Maryz · 19/05/2018 23:32

When I think of all the angst on here about whether or not to tell children that Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy aren't real, and yet some people are still saying it's ok to tell children than they can change sex Shock

It's bonkers. No-one can actually change their actual sex. Surely even the most radical of radical trans activists doesn't actually think that anyone can actually change their actual sex (regardless of what they say, surely they don't actually believe it).

Maryz · 19/05/2018 23:35

Oh ffs, I've just realised.

We are back to the new definition of vagina as "a hole for a man to stick his penis into" aren't we?

thebewilderness · 19/05/2018 23:36

It is not acceptance whatsoever and if you're not accepting you're apposing and what is apposing? Anti... Trans.

We have been aware for some time that transgender advocates consider women's rights to be transphobic, and that like all other men they assume that if we are not serving them we are opposing them.
It appears to be completely beyond their comprehension that Feminists consider it logical and reasonable to put women and girls right to safety, privacy, and dignity, ahead of any males desire to be accepted as something they are not.

Nogodsnomasters · 19/05/2018 23:37

@datun there is no need to speak to me in such a patronising way. I'm aware of what a vagina is for. You missed one massive use for it in your list... Sex, for pleasure not just reproduction. Which funnily enough a neo vagina can be used for, so they got one part of it down to a tee eh?

Datun · 19/05/2018 23:37

Who knows Maryz. I do wonder when people say you can change sex, swap sex organs and that the vagina has no purpose and isn't an organ whether they are like that chap who thought you could stop yourself menstruating, like you stop yourself urinating. And if the woman couldn't hold her blood in until she got home, it was just plain ruuude.

But I imagine it's more to do with the fact that pretending there is no difference between the sexes means that there is no reason men can't be women. And dogs can be cats.

Datun · 19/05/2018 23:39

@datun there is no need to speak to me in such a patronising way.

How many more times can one be so wrong on a single thread?

Datun · 19/05/2018 23:39

You missed one massive use for it in your list... Sex, for pleasure not just reproduction.

Of course I didn't miss it. I was waiting for you to maintain that's what women are for.

Nogodsnomasters · 19/05/2018 23:40

It's not a case of just "wanting" to be in a group @Assassinated this is a proven mental health issue. They don't just think oh wow look at those women over there, I like their hair/clothes (re Rachel) let's try and do that and see if they'll let us in their group!!

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