Trans women

[Jamiem80]

Probably going to get shot down massively here but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, but nothing about women becoming men. Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?

Please don't delete huffsoy's posts HQ. I think it's important that people who come here to browse (and maybe poke the nasty witches) see what we have to put up with.

No-one is offended, or upset. Amused, and a little scornful perhaps.

Still, a timely reminder of why women may not challenge men who are using women's facilities - they might be confronted with that sort rage in real life - and that wouldn't be pleasant.

Maybe MNHQ should have a way to mark posts which break talk guidelines and which have been reported but which are left as an example? Does anything like that happen elsewhere?

Too late

All gone

When an adult tantrums they are giving you a terrifying insight into the mind of someone who chooses not to control their impulses, and who hates large portions of the rest of the world, and often indicates that they'd be prepared to follow up that tantrum with actual physical violence.

Like I say, this is hilarious to watch on line - but I'd be pretty scared if I encountered someone like this in RL.

Well, quite. A perfect demonstration of our arguments.

There's some quotes left which give the jist of this persons ranting. Blimey.

let's hope your fears come true every last one of you nasty skanks

Bless

I see people saying thay there's no danger of woman who become men and no disadvantage, woman who transition take testosterone and gain strength and muscles of a man and can get just as violent and aggressive as a man because that what hormones can do.

I think the reason for that is because it's not about muscle mass. Whilst men are, typically, going to have the physical advantage in any confrontation it's more about whether a man will actually do something to hurt a woman. And the majority of men are - like the majority of women - just average people getting by. What matters is the men who want to harm women. And because Autogynephiles make up a significant proportion of MtF trans and because Autogynephiles are frequently associated with violence, it's creates a pattern that concerns people.

There's also the issue that MtF trans erode women's rights and identity (quite deliberately in many cases). And whilst a woman coming into the men's will upset some men, for the most part she'll just get some jokes and the odd proposition. Equally gay men don't get hassle from FtM trans people trying to pressure them into sex. Whilst lesbians I know do get that from MtF trans quite a bit.

So it's not - mostly - about muscle mass. It's about what you do with it. And FtM trans people aren't, on the whole, hassling women so far as I've seen.

Here's a bit of skanking just for Huff. The song is bang on message too.

but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women,

No. This is absolute rubbish. There are concerns about the impact on biological women if transwomen self ID. Not about men becoming transgender women. Can you see the difference? Because I am starting to despair that some people are either refusing to see the concerns or they are simply too stupid to understand.

That went well. Good job, huff. Another man that I would prefer to be excluded from female safe spaces. I don’t want my female children to be subjected to misogynistic narcissistic rage.

Haven’t heard ‘on the rag’ for years now. It’s lovely that transactivists are bringing back outdated sexist insults, as a way of demonstrating difference, huh?

Because I am starting to despair that some people are either refusing to see the concerns or they are simply too stupid to understand.

Or option 3. It’s a deliberate technique used to derail the discussion from the start. By painting themselves as an oppressed (the most oppressedest of the oppressed) they can take control. The opponent is now forced to spend debate time clarifying that no they don’t actually hate transpeople and that detracts from the points they want to raise and talk about.

Oh yes. Forgot about option 3. Although I'm not sure all of the people virtue signalling are aware they are doing this.

No they probably aren’t. A significant number just turn on the tears rather than actually debate though.

That’s a direct line from no platforming at universities and the #nodebate crap. It leaves people unable to critically dissect what they’re trying to argue for or against.

Luckily the average coven member here seems to posess decent critical thinking skills.

Luckily the average coven member here seems to posess decent critical thinking skills.

Thank goodness. There aren't many places left.

Is there anywhere else at all?

It’s a deliberate technique used to derail the discussion from the start.

Of course it is. And choice of tactic goes in waves. Recently, we've had appeals to female socialisation via endless lengthy autobiographies posted into as many random threads as possible. That was followed by a spate of calling out perceived hardliners by name - presumably with the aim of goading enough to get people suspended. Then we had a lot of JAQing. And now we seem to be in the middle of a spate of dictatorial, abusive people overtaking threads with cease and desist demands and insults. I'm sure we'll get to the end and start again at some point.

Pratchet I doubt it. If MN FWR board stops allowing us to discuss it, I see it going into closed forums. The TRA will screech they can't see what we are saying then. Be careful what you wish for.

"These people are allowed to vote. Their actual votes are worth the same as mine..."

This from the MN twitter timeline.

I think some of them actually mean this. 100 years after first getting the vote, they would take it away from us.

I think some of them actually mean this. 100 years after first getting the vote, they would take it away from us.

Oh they absolutely would.

Yy spontaneous: they won't be happy until we are completely silent, and they still won't be happy because they know that we know that everyone knows that they aren't women. We will still think it and they will know it and still be unhappy.

Can you link Toetotoe? Can’t find it

Pratchet, that is absolutely true and it drives them mad. I sat through a mandatory trans awareness session at work, run by a transwoman in her late thirties/ early forties who had transitioned 2-3 years earlier (social transition, no surgery). Her opening gambit was to ask how many of the entirely biologically female audience truly believed she was a woman, and told us that the entire aim of her awareness trainingctraining session was to be able to ask the same question at the end and have everyone truly believe she was a woman. She even castigated us at one point that lip service towards pronouns wasn’t enough (the same lip service I am performing here) because transwomen can tell if you don’t mean it. And you have to truly believe it. There was a veiled sense of threat.
Sadly she shot herself in the foot with two hours of proving she had literally no idea how women have been socialized, proved that she wasn’t a woman by a series of complaints about how she was treated differently to how a woman should be treated, and displayed a large amount of male pattern entitlement to demand how women should think, behave and prioritise her needs.
But essentially, the entire session boiled down to ‘you must think the way I think, believe what I believe, and your own thoughts and opinions must be erased as they are contradictory to my own, and mine are more important.’ She was completely open that she badly wanted to control our thoughts.

Wow Mamaryllis. I think I'd have had a sudden illness come on.