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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shon Faye & Ash Shankar review of Gender quake.

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DJLippy · 17/05/2018 12:44

novaramedia.com/2018/05/14/the-ciscourse/

It's throw a brew at the telly time.

Novaro brats talking about all those nasty terfs 'howling coyotes'.

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KataraJean · 20/05/2018 09:44

On access to women’s spaces, Shon is very welcome to come into my house and spend the next two hours deep cleaning my kitchen and fridge, and then cleaning my living room, bathroom and the rest of the house.

Or what about stepping into the shoes of any of the women who appear beaten, killed, or otherwise abused in the pages of the press every single day. And that is only the ones reported on. Because it is women I see dead and abused in newspapers daily, and it is daily, not trans people. No one, whether female or trans, or male, should be abused or injured or killed, it is not a zero sum game, but it’s women I am seeing in the press as victims mainly. Female-bodied people. Of male-bodied people.

That’s just two of women’s spaces I would be more than happy to give up.

Or better still, I would like male bodied people to stop acting as if womanning was a performance that we choose. And male-bodied people to stop acting as if they own women’s bodies (whether by relying on their labour, abusing their bodies, or appropriating their physical characteristics).

It makes me furious that feminism appears now to be about whether male-born people can be women and where they can access, rather than the harms which male-bodied people do to female-bodied people.

Male-bodied people at a population level do harm to female-bodied people. Why would female-bodied people want to make that easier and not say no? Why do male-bodied people not listen to no?

No, no and no again. I want myself and my DD and every other female-bodied person to have spaces which are only for female-bodied people. Why does that not matter?

Because I cannot see the difference between an abusive husband refusing me privacy and the ability to say no, and this.

People with gender dysphoria have the right to access services and support, and the fact that they cannot is about underfunding of services. That won’t be solved by removing safeguards for women and children.

Ereshkigal · 20/05/2018 14:53

It makes me furious that feminism appears now to be about whether male-born people can be women and where they can access, rather than the harms which male-bodied people do to female-bodied people.

Me too.

thebewilderness · 20/05/2018 19:47

It is the same systematic take over that was so effective in the LGBT communities. Feminist organizations and publications resisted until they were overwhelmed.
I see the same tactic of single focusing being used here at FWR that was so effective against the LGB.

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