Shon Faye & Ash Shankar review of Gender quake.

[DJLippy]

novaramedia.com/2018/05/14/the-ciscourse/

It's throw a brew at the telly time.

Novaro brats talking about all those nasty terfs 'howling coyotes'.

I don't think there is any merit in slagging off clothes. I don't do it to women....

OK, I took one for the team and watched it all the way through.

I thought they all talked quite intelligently - that surprised me - but it was very much a cosy chat between friends, with no-one to provide a real challenge to the dominant view.

A couple of things that struck me:

Ash Sarkar was essentially a WOC on a panel with two white males, and that came across quite strongly. The higher-pitched voice and fluttery hand movements are a defence mechanism, and she got higher-pitched and more fluttery in the few moments where SF and the host queried what she was saying even slightly. Her own power felt very much borrowed from the men. I think she buys the trans line completely, but even if she didn't, I don't think she would have the confidence (yet) to challenge it.

SF has a complete lack of self-awareness regarding SF's white male privilege. It's like a blind spot.

All the participants touched on various gender critical or feminist arguments but dismissed them without examining them.

There appears to be a wardrobe malfunction there.

please show how this will happen as a result of GRA reform?

Might I possibly point you in the direction of the Girl Guides, women's sport, and prisons where men have been moved to female facilities?

People are pre-empting the GRA reform to look like good brocialists. The damage is already being done. Big, irreversible amounts of damage.

gendercritter,
This a pretty hopeless defence....

First off, you mean trans women, not men.

Even if I played along with you, you just clearly stated this happens now??? So explain to me how GRA reform effects this?
Especially as most of the things you just mentioned rely on the equality act and not a Gender recognition certificate..

Is this the May 16 edition of the Quibbler?

I think we are about to get the full issue.

This a pretty hopeless defence....

Not really hopeless, though I can see why you would want to think so.

First off, you mean trans women, not men.

I think they meant what they said. Though I can understand why you would want to think otherwise.

Why is the interrogator speaking in terms of attack and defence like that, do they have a war on women going on?

Thebewilderness
You missed this bit...
Even if I played along with you, you just clearly stated this happens now??? So explain to me how GRA reform effects this?
Especially as most of the things you just mentioned rely on the equality act and not a Gender recognition certificate..

I am perfectly aware that you view the discussion of women's rights as a game where you ask the same question over and over regardless of the response, crisp.

Sorry, my eyes go funny at the repetitive question marks. I can't read that.

thebewilderness
I assumed you wanted a discussion as you copied some of my post, but not the pertinent bit?

where you ask the same question over and over regardless of the response, crisp.

I never actually got a response, except a bit of wibble about about something or other, but not the actual point of the post...

I get it, it's cool, it's expected, whatever...

So explain to me how GRA reform effects this?

Because people have read about the possible upcoming reform and want to get in ahead of the game, as I clearly stated. It has acted as a catalyst for some very big changes. Without talk of possible reform, peoples' attention would have been elsewhere and it's probable many of the changes wouldn't have been made.

I meant men, btw. I don't consider I should lie about criminals who are milking the system to gain access to vulnerable women. They are men. Some of them very violent, nasty, narcissistic ones. 'Man' is not a slur. It is a biological fact.

Ash will never be Germaines equal. Ash comes across as not very bright and a bit of a donkey imo.

I assumed you wanted a discussion as you copied some of my post, but not the pertinent bit?
In my opinion the bit where you told another person what they meant instead of what they said was the pertinent bit.
The "hopeless defence" was a particularly obvious ploy.
I have no idea why you keep goading to make it personal.
I just point it out when I see it.

Right. It's transphobia to use a biological term for criminal men?

Every time you yell that, you minimise the horrible and real transphobia some trans people face. You push people in the direction of just rolling their eyes and shrugging their shoulders when a trans person uses that word, just when they are at their most vulnerable and need support. Trans people have voiced this on here repeatedly. You are doing them harm. You are making people so sick of what they perceive as narcissistic whinging that they are turning their backs on the most vulnerable who really suffer gender dysphoria.

Take a look at some of the male spaces of the internet if you want to see some real transphobic abuse. It's horrible. Back off from trying to intimidate a woman with genuine concerns about self-id. It doesn't reflect well on you.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Novara Media was dissolved 9th January 2018
(Different) Novara Media was incorporated 4th January 2018

I'm sure theres nothing dodgy about that.

What I read said that Companies House had dissolved them and all assets would now belong to the Crown. It said they didn't file vital paprework. It doesn't look like they filed anything at all, no accounts or anything.

So are they dodgy or inept or both?

gendercritter,
You seemed to be conflating trans women, with men, if that wasn't your intention I apologise.

No, I am not in the slightest bit trying to intimidate a woman with self-id concerns, why would you think that? Because I'm questioning an evident lack of understanding?
I am actually trying to have a discussion about it, thats all, so far you havent given any examples of how self-id affects the changes you claim it does.

As for the self-id pertaining to prisons, that has no bearing on which prisoners are housed in which estate. Their is an independent authority in charge of this, and is not tethered by whether or not someone has a GRC.
In the past cis-women deemed a risk have been held in male estates, same with trans women who would present a significant risk. Whether or not that is satisfactory is for you to take up with the prison authorities.
But this has nothing to do with GRA.

gendercritter,
You seemed to be conflating trans women, with men, if that wasn't your intention I apologise.

It was entirely you, butty.
You created a problem, berated her for it, stamped your feet about the apparent rampant problem on this board your misrepresentation illustrates, and then have given a luke warm apology which yet again demands answers to your question that has no relevance to this thread.

You are a random faux outrage generator.

You are not a feminist.

As for the self-id pertaining to prisons, that has no bearing on which prisoners are housed in which estate. Their is an independent authority in charge of this, and is not tethered by whether or not someone has a GRC.

If they have a GRC they are automatically assigned to the female estate. They share the EA protected characteristic of sex with women. Having a GRC means that they are treated for the vast majority of purposes as if they were female. So it is important to appropriately gatekeep who has one. And not give them to say, Ian Huntley.

It looks like picking off GC posters one by one and making them doubt themselves isn't an effective tactic when it's so transparent. It comes across as being a bit gaslighty.

Shouting posters down with "you're all disgusting transphobes" didn't work. Neither did chanting "Transwomen are women!". I wonder what we'll see next to bring posters here into line?

Watched some of this... Haven't read the whole thread yet but OMFG Ash thinks she's an academic/ intellectual equal to Germaine Greer . Wow. Just, wow .

She also claims Germaine was pissed. SF compared us lot to Westboro Baptist Church.