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TheUterati · 30/04/2018 17:03

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

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AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 17:50

See, if I was as petty as certain other individuals I could report that comment all "she punctuated at me aggressively!"

SupermatchGame · 30/04/2018 17:54

TheUterati There is no such thing as transwomen - they are men.

I'd like to examine this phrase please and discuss it openly?

The Gender Recognition Act 2004 states:

Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).

Is the statement in question not either braking the law, or encouraging people to do so? Does it also contravene the Equality Act? What do you think?

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 17:58

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IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 17:59

My username is what is it for a reason.

I used to be a regular contributor of this forum but recently is has become little more than a couldron of hatred towards trans women. My daughter is 19 and trans and despite being a very busy working mum I have decided to stand up to this disguting behaviour in what little way I can. I am tired of seeing people call trans women such as my daughter men. I am constantly seeing trans women referred to as ‘male bodied’. Really? My dd is for more womanly than I ever was at her age! This kind of disrespect has to stop.

I will explain myself no more and will simply lurk in the background calling it out and reporting it when I come across it.

ReluctantCamper · 30/04/2018 17:59

I will not advise of others I report

and then with a swirl of her cloak and a scatter of full stops she disappeared into the night. Leaving us asking each other who was that masked avenger?

KnittinKitten · 30/04/2018 17:59

Who the hell worded that act?? Someone’s sex cannot change! Hmm it is impossible. A person’s sex cannot become that of a man if the person was born female!

ReluctantCamper · 30/04/2018 18:00

yep. humans cannot change sex. I seem to type that a lot lately.

KnittinKitten · 30/04/2018 18:01

My username is what is it for a reason.

What is the reason? Is it to scare people into not posting on trans issues?

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 18:01

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LangCleg · 30/04/2018 18:01

I'd like to examine this phrase please and discuss it openly?

But you have a thread about this already.

The topic here is the moderating policy on FWR. It would be nice if we could keep to it. The comment you're referring to was a test of deletion policy, not a discussion point - in the context of this thread.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 18:02

No one born with a penis is 'womanly'.

KnittinKitten · 30/04/2018 18:03

I am constantly seeing trans women referred to as ‘male bodied’

If they are males then they are male bodied. There is nothing disrespectful about stating that. You seem confused.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 18:04

I am exactly as much a woman as my mother was, and if I had a daughter she'd be exactly as much a woman as I am once she was an adult (but I don't, so my niece will have to do).

There are no degrees of woman.

busyboysmum · 30/04/2018 18:05

The post I had deleted said "yawn". Wasn't trying to be goady. Was just expressing how I am currently feeling given the relentless attacks on women's freedom of speech I am witnessing.

I'm so bored of the whole centering men's feelings thing. Never before as a feminist speaking on a feminist board with other feminists have I had to centre men's feelings.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 30/04/2018 18:06

I will explain myself no more

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/04/2018 18:06

°My dd is for more womanly than I ever was at her age^

I'm interested in this statement. Could you expand on it?

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 18:07

Now you’re all pointing out to me that my daughter who happens to be a transwoman is a man.

What a lovely bunch you are.

busyboysmum · 30/04/2018 18:07

And I agree that you cannot change your biological sex. It is physically impossible. None of my sons will ever become female. They will never be womanly in the way that I am womanly. And that is just plain unemotional fact.

SupermatchGame · 30/04/2018 18:08

Lang I can see your point.

The reason why I highlighted it on this thread is because another poster had asked for it to be deleted and I was trying to explore if sometimes it is worth discussing comments openly rather than always jumping to delete them. So I think it does connect both subjects. Not trying to be funny here.

CadyHeron · 30/04/2018 18:08

I'm finding myself in a strange position today, as I'm usually on the "other side" of this debate!
Some posts here and on the parkrun thread are clearly transphobic, and it isn't about trying to shut down in this case.
That'll be why there's so many deletions. If people could not make them, it wouldn't go haywire. If some don't know what it means to not be transphobic, how is it ever going to stop though?

KnittinKitten · 30/04/2018 18:08

Now you’re all pointing out to me that my daughter who happens to be a transwoman is a man.

So you have achieved your goal on this thread then. Well done.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 18:08

I said nothing about your child, IWill. It's the "more womanly" idea in general that seems odd and sad to me, as would "less womanly". Sounds like sexism.

DixieFlatline · 30/04/2018 18:09

Now you’re all pointing out to me that my daughter who happens to be a transwoman is a man.

What a lovely bunch you are.

No, they're asking what on earth you mean by your child being more 'womanly' than you were. You brought that into the conversation.

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 18:09

Kitten I have no objective.

You did that all by yourselves..

SupermatchGame · 30/04/2018 18:09

ReluctantCamper yep. humans cannot change sex. I seem to type that a lot lately.

They can legally. Isn't this being discussed on another thread though?