Excellent article on the problem of transphobia

[crispbuttyfan]

www.huckmagazine.com/perspectives/opinion-perspectives/mumsnet-transphobia-online/

"Regardless of intention, it seems to me that Mumsnet has allowed transphobia to become associated with their brand through their inaction. These boards have now become nothing short of echo chambers, spaces in which anti-trans rhetoric is continually employed with little objection."

The evidence is apparent throughout the feminism board.
Where lies are spread with abandon and the truth is slandered as 'gaslighting'.

Yes I actually teach Biology I received my 1st class honours in Scotland I just understand that epigenetics, phenotype and transcriptome is something that should be considered in the categorisation of sex.
Why are you mocking me as if I haven't spent time considering this I'm a good teacher as well by the by

their transcriptome changes

You're thinking of clownfish.

A "gynecology exam" is an examination of the female reproductive organs (cervix, uterus, ovaries, etc). A person who does not have any of those organs does not need a gynecological exam.

I reckon that's a plant.

I mean, I reckon Mumtobe25 concentrated on botany...

No their transcriptome changes

Really? As a result of taking artificial hormones, or is it the surgery that literally changes people's RNA?

www.genome.gov/13014330/transcriptome-fact-sheet/

FermatsTheorem Are you seeing all this? I'm sorry my own observations and facts lead me to conclude something differently to everyone else here but that doesn't justify saying I'm a bad teacher or making fun of me using a word like transcriptome to describe the RNA to protein transcript from DNA which is affected by epigenetic factors (like hormones). You're all just bullies. I'm sorry I tried to say Mumsnet is a welcoming place to trans people I guess that was wrong of me to do.

Correcting of factual inaccuracies is not bullying.

That's correct endogenous and exogenous hormones (both of which are in this case identical to one another due to genetically engineered yeast which we use to produce a vast range of human hormones using viral vectors ... but seriously not enough time to get into the mechanics of that.) work by changing a persons genetic transcript. It's the same process that changes our phenotype from that of a child to an adult your genome stays the same but your epigenetics, transcriptome and proteome change over time .

Post-op transsexual.

I go to an LGBT clinic. Other than the first year post-surgery, to make sure things were healing correctly, I have not had any exam down there.

Why would I?

Mumtobe25
Serious question. How do you manage to teach a class of teenagers if you're this sensitive? If you think you're correct, defend yourself with robust argument.

I'm sorry my own observations and facts lead me to conclude something differently to everyone else here but that doesn't justify saying I'm a bad teacher or making fun of me using a word like transcriptome to describe the RNA to protein transcript from DNA which is affected by epigenetic factors (like hormones).

Sorry I don't understand this.

Can you explain it to me the way you would explain to a student?

How does this make a male into a female and a female into a male?

Perhaps this might change my mind?

Mumtobe25 are you saying you believe, as a biologist, that trans identified males are biologically female?

AngryAttackKittens If that's what you were doing no it wouldn't be bullying but mocking me saying I'm a botanist or on about clown fish and saying its worrying I teach biology just because I disagree with you is bullying, sorry not sorry.

I said none of those things. Mumtobe. You're aware that we're not all the same person, right?

TERFragetteCity are you actually being sincere or are you just here to shoot me down?

*Sorry I don't understand this.

Can you explain it to me the way you would explain to a student?

How does this make a male into a female and a female into a male?

Perhaps this might change my mind?*

Can you explain it to me the way you would explain to a student?

I would like this too. While I recognise the words used (epigenetics etc) I'm not entirely sure what they mean / how they work.

AngryAttackKittens sorry if I directed my frustration at the wrong person

If you can explain the facts, as you see them, effectively and clearly how can anyone (rational) "shoot you down"? Apart from using their own facts and arguments, which is the basis of civilized debate, not an exercise in bullying.

TERFragetteCity are you actually being sincere or are you just here to shoot me down?

If you know how this works then please explain it. I am a civil engineer and teach organic horticulture and will happily explain soil mechanics and organic fruit and veg growing, wildlife gardening, companion planting, pest and disease control etc as those are my subjects.

If you can explain how what you said works, then I am more than happy to get behind it. So - the floor is yours.

“Making a male into a female” is also not in the latest Trans memo. They were born female and just assigned wrong at birth. Duh!

I would like this too. While I recognise the words used (epigenetics etc) I'm not entirely sure what they mean / how they work.

Well for those of you who aren't just here to make fun lets see put simply... at first we biologists thought that genes are read and make proteins and that's that... it seemed simple enough and made a lot of sense but we then found out that there are other factors that affect what genes are read and which aren't... have I lost anyone. ?

We all know human beings can't change sex. Every single lurker knows that human beings can't change sex.

We've had quite a few threads about appeals to female socialisation and the way it intersects with DARVO.

And about not giving away too many chips to the flying creatures.

Let's get back to the article that is the topic of this thread.

using a word like transcriptome to describe the RNA to protein transcript from DNA which is affected by epigenetic factors (like hormones).

I am a scientist and I know a fair bit about epigenetics. Published a fair amount on it. So no you haven’t lost me, you’re just using the terms in a way that makes no sense at all.

Okay so one of these factors can be proteins or steroidal molecules (hormones ) they can activate, enhance, repress or silence genes.

To use an analogy imagine your DNA is a set of blueprints for a building but there's lots of possible variations. these proteins and steroidal molecules in the analogy are different instructions given to the builders reading of the blueprints. Telling them which parts of each of blueprints the architect would like in the one final building.

Langcleg You make excellent points but I am genuinely interested in how epigenetics / transcriptome / proteome influences sex.

I am not closed minded and if someone makes a compelling argument, I am open to changing my mind. Mumtobe is making an interesting argument, and I would like to here more.

It is a bit of a derail, but an interesting one IMO.