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Xenia · 30/04/2018 17:15

The article on the first page the thread is about said most thread on MN were anti trans. Most threads are nothing to do with trans. That part was inaccurate for a start.

At 25 I had 2 babies, worked full time, had bought a house and was married. My older children were all very responsible at 25.

Journalists just want to stir up controversy sometimes so this has probably achieved its aim but it certainly won't stop mumsnetters saying what they like about trans issues or any other issues and I hope it doesn't stop ex MN staff writing what they like when they leave either.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 17:16

So is the MESMAC scandal now "boring" because Peto used to work there and nothing that a trans person has even the most vague link to must ever be discussed in a negative way?

Popchyk · 30/04/2018 17:20

Heather Peto worked at MESMAC?

Did not know that.

LoopOnTheRollercoaster · 30/04/2018 17:22

Xenia - it says most threads on FWR are about 'trans'. Which is true.

vitara · 30/04/2018 17:22

@Xenia

No, it said that most of the feminist threads were anti-trans.

23 on the front page are anti-trans / discussing trans (however you look at it).

It's taking over MN but at least they've fucked away from AIBU for a while.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 17:24

Someone upthread said Peto used to work at MESMAC.

BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON ME I have not checked this and have no idea if it's true.

Popchyk · 30/04/2018 17:27

Fair enough, Angry.

Hadn't heard that before, that's all.

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/04/2018 17:34

Have you tried starting a thread about a feminist topic you'd rather see discussed, vitara, or posting on a thread that you approve of?

OrchidInTheSun · 30/04/2018 17:42

Someone asked what was untrue in that lamentable piece of writing. Here you go:

Last week, Mumsnet referred itself to the data commissioner after a whistleblower exposed information relating to transphobic posters on the site.

Not a whistleblower. Someone attempting to doxx women.

The anti-trans community on Mumsnet is something of an open secret. It has been present for years, and it appears that there has, for a while, been a lax approach to tackling this particular form of hate speech.

I am not anti-trans. I have trans friends. They just don't believe their life experience is mine, just as I don't believe mine is theirs. They do not say they are women because they aren't.

One recurring theme is a suspicion among Mumsnet’s ‘Gender Critical’ contingent that there is an organised, funded effort to encourage children to be trans.

No, there is an organised, funded effort to encourage children who don't fit into gender stereotypes to encourage children to think they're trans. They are going into libraries, they are writing guides for schools. Being trans makes a dull child much more interesting.

Other conspiracy theories abound. A cursory search on Mumsnet reveals countless threads which link trans women to autogynephilia, a theory originally purported by sexologist Ray Blanchard in the 1980s that suggests being trans is a fetish related to “a man’s paraphilic tendency to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as a woman.”

Of course this is true. There are twitter hashtags and reddit fora that prove it. As well as women who are living with these men.

While these individuals believe that there is some organised legion of trans activists working against them to eradicate women’s rights and spaces, the opposite seems increasingly true – Mumsnet is now, in my view, home to the anti-trans lobby.

No, we're a pro-women lobby. That's different

I believe Mumsnet has failed to recognise a very basic principle: if your feminism doesn’t include trans women, it’s not feminism at all.

Well you know jackshit about feminism then, love.

ArcheryAnnie · 30/04/2018 17:51

23 on the front page are anti-trans / discussing trans (however you look at it).

None on the front page are anti-trans.

If you see "discussing the issue" as automatically meaning you are "anti-trans", then you are part of the problem, vitara.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 19:18

Who is PowderGreen and why are they PM-ing me? Weird and creepy, that.

Weebo · 30/04/2018 20:04

Are they giving you a hard time, Angry? If so let HQ know - They don't mess about when it comes to nasty PM's.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 20:08

It was more bizarre than anything else - a rather accusatory toned message about the question of whether Peto worked for MESMAC that was discussed above. My response was someone upthread said so, go look, but I also said that right here in this thread so why pester me about it via PM?

My assumption is that this is some sort of new TRA attempt at intimidation. Either that or a person with no social skills.

Xenia · 30/04/2018 20:37

"@Xenia
No, it said that most of the feminist threads were anti-trans."

I just went back and read the article linked on the first page and it definitely says this

" The first threads about trans people date from 2012, but looking at the board today, almost every conversation started is about trans people and trans rights. And, away from the site, people are starting to take notice".

It doesn't say the feminism board. However I suppose you could construe "the board" as that. I just read it as the whole of MN. Anyway even so people can post what they like. May be women are worried about trans issues - we are. I want women not trans women to be used in statistics about crime and women's pay and to have the few senior roles that are available to women.

What I feel is men trying to shut women up. I see it in Saudi. I see it all over the planet and if men think they can come on to MN and shut us up yet against because they dont' happen to like us discussing trans issues they will just have to put up with it because we aren't going to stop talking about the issue.

JessicaJonesJacket · 30/04/2018 20:55

I always think it's rather quaint that the TRAs think they can bully women into silence. It's almost as though they've never spent any time with women in RL.

OnTheList · 01/05/2018 01:33

Meh, I can't get worked up about some utter idiot spouting utter drivel tbh. So many of them about these days, pretty easy to ignore. They want nodebate anyway.

However, the 'if your feminism does not include male people then its not feminism' is even more bullshitty than the rest of it. My feminism is about females. I care more about the safety and such of women and children than I do about the feelings of a few men. If that makes me transphobic, so be it. Everything is transphobic these days anyway. The word means nothing at all anymore. Hell, my spellcheck is telling me that transphobic is not even a real word!

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 02:05

Your autocorrect is committing literal violence!

vitara · 01/05/2018 02:52

@Xenia

"Beyond the purple and blue homepage, Mumsnet has a dedicated ‘Women’s Rights/Feminism chat’ forum. Back in 2010, when this thread began, the majority of topics raised were about just that...
The first threads about trans people date from 2012, but looking at the board today, almost every conversation started is about trans people and trans rights."

It was about the feminism chat.

Of course people are free to talk, and talk, and talk, and talk about any subject they'd like.

To pretend that transphobia isn't a problem here is amazing though. A quote from the first post on the first thread I opened, "i've often wondered the correlation between childhood abuse and transgendered people. "

thebewilderness · 01/05/2018 03:38

Xenia - it says most threads on FWR are about 'trans'. Which is true.

Of course it is true. Transgender advocates start threads every day about transgender issues so they can piss on our leg and tell us it is raining. The name of this tactic is ratfucking. It has been going on here fore weeks.

LoopOnTheRollercoaster · 01/05/2018 06:34

Xenia - the paragraph before the one you quoted is quite clear it's talking about FWR. It says it very clearly.

therealposieparker · 01/05/2018 06:36

@vitara

What is transphobia?

SophoclesTheFox · 01/05/2018 06:42

How is it transphobic to wonder if there is any correlation between a population who we are told is so highly vulnerable to suicide and there possibly being abuse in their past??

I don't get it.

thebewilderness · 01/05/2018 06:49

It is a concern in the medical profession that so many girls who are identifying as trans have a history of being abused.
Is this new information to someone who assumes it is transphobic because it is information they do not like?

Pratchet · 01/05/2018 07:07

What would get attention and followers is a piece by a former mod or employee saying the exact opposite to this. Her article is very same same. Women who are wonderful and brave and rational and speak up publicly to stand with and for women's rights are so refreshing. There is huge abuse for them but also a lot of love-bombing, genuine warmth and respect.

merrymouse · 01/05/2018 08:41

This subject is all over the feminist boards because this is what feminists are discussing at the moment. Why wouldn't that be reflected on MN?

Why is it surprising that feminists would discuss attempts to redefine the word 'woman'?

To believe this subject shouldn't be discussed on MN you also have to believe that feminists shouldn't talk about gender and a website aimed at mothers should 't be troubled with the wider world. MN has some very odd interns.