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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Your peaktrans moment for today! Top this if you can.

388 replies

Ritzsaltedcrackers · 25/04/2018 13:21

A woman was thrown out of a FB feminist group for challenging the idea that transwomen get periods.

apparently they DO get periods just without the small aspect of bleeding.

She was told that she was minimising transwomen's periods.

www.facebook.com/beth.rep/posts/10216741083464856

OP posts:
Ereshkigal · 26/04/2018 10:18

It's as if every single women is responsible for feminism/Mumsnet,and one bad comment invalidates the whole thing.

This.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/04/2018 10:19

Oh wow, I missed the part about mimicking our cycles...no, that does not make sense, in any way. Most of them don't even try to take hormones in a way that mimics a cycle, they take a steady dose all month long. For the ones mucking about with their dosage because they think doing so can mimic a menstrual cycle, that's a terrible idea and again, they should talk to a doctor.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/04/2018 10:22

And yes, chest pains are always a "talk to a doctor" thing. If a person is, what's that word that I'm not supposed to use again? Oh yeah, deluding themselves that their symptoms mean that they're experiencing a period then that delusion is potentially harmful to their health, in that the symptoms they're rationalizing away could indicate potential health problems.

I'd rather people be offended and alive than feel validated and end up dead, personally.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 26/04/2018 10:43

Never had anything that described itself as zesty that didn't taste like disappointment.

Oh good lord Grin

Its so true

LangCleg · 26/04/2018 10:45

Would any of these people want to mimic my menstrual cycle?

No pain or cramps, no mood imbalances, only know it's arrived by blood in my knickers, lasts three days max.

No. They wouldn't. Because it's boring and and in no way a source of validation of womanliness. By comparison 99% of women would say bloody hell, Lang, can I swap?

(I'm menopausal now but that was my cycle. Always saw it as having got off light on at least one aspect of womanhood.)

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 26/04/2018 10:48

Dd got herself in a muddle the other day and was talking about

MANSTRUATION

The boys and i were looking at her like this Hmm

PoulaFisch · 26/04/2018 10:59

This person is possibly deluded or experiencing psychosomatic symptoms, probably requiring some other intervention, but are they representative of the vast majority of transgender/transsexuals who medicate with HRT and/or had genital surgery? This troubles me because I don't think that is the case and dwelling on or mocking individuals doesn't strike me as particularly positive... just sayin'...

Beyond11cisRetinol · 26/04/2018 11:02

I would swap Lang, but forcibly ramming a piece of hormoney plastic into my uterus has solved mine. If any delusional person fancies a bit of DIY, I can't be blamed for that, can I?

Prior I had a 21 day cycle that started when I was 10. Yay team female! Angry

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 26/04/2018 11:04

I was on the pill at 13 for period problems

Luckily no nasty hormones or side effects in the pill

So thats good

Beyond11cisRetinol · 26/04/2018 11:06

Don't pink pigs count as pink chocolate? They've existed since I was a wee girl buying penny sweets?!

noeffingidea · 26/04/2018 11:07

Poulafisch they put it out there on social media, so it's up for discussion. I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested that all, or even many, transwomen do this, however it is an observable thing.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/04/2018 11:08

When even our resident true believer in all things gender thinks the people in the OP are delusional...

I've also gotten off easy, period wise. There's a bit of oddness in that I always bleed for a couple of days, have a day off where it stop, and then bleed more lightly again for a fourth day. No real emotional symptoms at all, cramps sometimes but not debilitating.

They could pretend to be me and do nothing different to what they'd do on any other day! But that would be boring, so...

AngryAttackKittens · 26/04/2018 11:09

Actually this is one of those things where I'd guess that the majority of people claiming to have periods are not what used to be called transsexuals.

Beyond11cisRetinol · 26/04/2018 11:11

I'd take a wild stab in the dark that it might be the AGP kinda people who have an imaginary menstrual cycle.

Datun · 26/04/2018 11:25

I'd take a wild stab in the dark that it might be the AGP kinda people who have an imaginary menstrual cycle.

Exactly. And I'd go further to say I don't think they do have any symptoms.

They fetishise the biology, so will invent plausible symptoms to correlate with a period.

No one with a shitty period thinks that trying to make themself look 'cute' alleviates the symptoms.

I agree it's not characteristic of transsexuals who have gender dysphoria.

But given that transvestites, cross dressers and men with AGP form a significant percentage, maybe even the majority, of men under the trans umbrella, talking about it and bringing it into the open is crucial.

To any right minded person, the existence of AGP as a cohort within transwomen should be an automatic deal breaker in the first place.

Merrykegs · 26/04/2018 11:25

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Bloodmagic · 26/04/2018 11:35

It's hilarious. Even if a TW did have a uterus (presumably in a shoebox under their bed) they wouldn't have the fluctuating hormones that cause periods and the associated symptoms.

And for all those saying that it's not fair to hold up one nutcase and pretend they represent the group, the problem is that the rest of the group is going along with this nonsense. It's frankly only half a step further from "some women have a penis, some men have a uterus, biology is a social contruct" anyway.

What's even more funny (or sad, depending on how you look at it) is that I've suffered from those 'validating' symptoms of menstruation for years and only now (as a 30 year old) am I starting to understand that a lot of the 'symptoms' are caused by interpreting womens bodies through a patriarchal lens.

Migraines and painful cramping? - Related to my hormonal birth control, which i never truly needed and will never take again (natural methods are MUCH more accurate than we were told in sex ed. We were basically told not to bother, turns out they are more effective than hormones when done correctly).
Chocolate cravings? - Magnesium deficiency. You're not gluttonous you need a mineral that is lacking from our modern diets and men don't suffer from the lack of it but it's crucial for women especially at this time. Cravings are there to inform you, take a supplement.
Hungry constantly? - While men can eat the same amount every day, womens intake needs fluctuate through the month. You're starving and binging when you're bleeding because you actually needed to gradually increase food intake in the week BEFORE you bleed, but you ignore your body's requests because you've been told you should use self control and eat the same amount all the time. If you pay attention theres a reverse around ovulation where you can comfortably eat much less than normal so even if youre trying to control your weight you can do it while moving with your body's natural rhythms.
Tired? - women's bodies have fluctuating energy levels as well as food. You're supposed to rest more at this time. Again, it swings back at ovulation when you have more energy and need less sleep.

(all of this is backed by science, not just my personal experience)

Sleep in, eat more, take some magnesium, and do yoga instead of cardio, and my period becomes a quite relaxing, rejuvenating time instead of a monthly torture.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/04/2018 11:38

I've also found that tampons make cramps worse for me. Didn't realize that till relatively late in the game because I'd been using them since I was so young.

Ereshkigal · 26/04/2018 11:51

And for all those saying that it's not fair to hold up one nutcase and pretend they represent the group, the problem is that the rest of the group is going along with this nonsense. It's frankly only half a step further from "some women have a penis, some men have a uterus, biology is a social contruct" anyway.

Yes, quite.

ChickenMe · 26/04/2018 11:55

I had a very progressive doctor who told me to stop using tampons as they make your period heavier (I had fibroids)
Blood I like your post I'm saving it

Datun · 26/04/2018 11:56

Bloodmagic

That's fascinating. Thanks. It's infuriating too! Should be taught in schools.

LangCleg · 26/04/2018 12:10

Bloodmagic

Wait, what? Really? Did I have "easy" periods partly because I've always eaten (within reason) what I craved, when I craved it? This is so cool!

Oh! I bloody love Mumsnet. Learn something useful - to women - every single day.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/04/2018 12:15

I'm another one who's always eaten whatever I felt like. Other than in my teens, when my eating was distinctly disordered, and my periods were heavy and very painful. Which went away in my twenties, I'd assumed just because of age, but by that point I was also eating like a normal human.

Huh.

Havoc · 26/04/2018 12:31

Interesting. My periods are painful and heavy, I've been told it's because I'm a redhead with very fair skin. My relationship with food is dreadful, I definitely do not eat like a normal human.

Thanks for that blood. I'm going to look into what you have said.

This is why women need to talk to each other.

Beyond11cisRetinol · 26/04/2018 12:33

Huh indeed. Periods at their worst between about 14-19, even though by that point I'd had them long enough for them to be 'settled', correlating with when my eating was pretty buggered up.

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