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Your peaktrans moment for today! Top this if you can.

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Ritzsaltedcrackers · 25/04/2018 13:21

A woman was thrown out of a FB feminist group for challenging the idea that transwomen get periods.

apparently they DO get periods just without the small aspect of bleeding.

She was told that she was minimising transwomen's periods.

www.facebook.com/beth.rep/posts/10216741083464856

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ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2018 13:50

Please just show people respect.

There is a school of thought that respect needs to be earned. Appropriating and minimising uniquely female experience is not respectful.

Ritzsaltedcrackers · 25/04/2018 13:50

I won't show respect for a person who appropriates women's bodily functions, minimises what can be significant monthly suffering as a 'small aspect' and abuses women who dare to question the insanity of what is being said. Sorry.

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Lottapianos · 25/04/2018 13:51

'Not to mention utterly offensive to those women who have experienced miscarriage and still birth'

So true. It's actually sick

Ritzsaltedcrackers · 25/04/2018 13:51

AsAProfessional, wasn't that some diversity officer in the police who complained to the supermarket concerned? Because, don't forget, some men have periods too!

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ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2018 13:55

'triggering to' certain women who didn't have periods.

Loads of women don't have periods (every post meno woman, for starters). Afaik none of them has ever had a problem with this 'triggering'.

TheUterati · 25/04/2018 13:55

Author - the accuracy of referring to this person as he is relevant in order to demonstrate the utter impossibility of this person being pregnant and the depths of the delusion in the claim that this severe abdominal distension was a pregnancy.
At the time I consider that I showed respect for this person through my suggestions that urgent medical attention be sought. As I recall, at the time, it was the RFs amongst us who were making those suggestions, not those who supported this individual in these dangerous and delusional beliefs. I suggest, that the RFs were actually showing far more respect and concern for this individual.

TheUterati · 25/04/2018 13:57

And Author - why all this appropriation of the biological functions of women's sexed bodies? Please just show people respect.

OohMavis · 25/04/2018 13:58

TRA: Stop minimising my period.

Also TRA: Your bleeding and lack of access to sanitary products are small aspects of your period.

I'm going to go lie down for a bit.

TransAuthor · 25/04/2018 14:05

Uterati - Deliberately using the wrong pronoun is an act of violence. You can talk about how you disagree with this person without stooping to misgendering.

Like, I also think it's a bit daft that a few trans woman talk about period like symptoms but hey, live and let live, huh? Some manage their hormone intake throughout the month and experience physical fluctuations in mood and other things.

But here's the point, so what? How does that mean you have the right to misgender her?

OohMavis · 25/04/2018 14:08

An act of violence would be punching them in the face.

Words aren't violence.

TerfinUSA · 25/04/2018 14:08

^ ignore the attempted derailer.

Lottapianos · 25/04/2018 14:08

'Deliberately using the wrong pronoun is an act of violence'

Here we have today's addition to my list of Most Bonkers Things I Have Heard

Mumsnut · 25/04/2018 14:09

I do hope the Daily Mail pick up on this.

(Not a thought I'd ever had before)

Justanotherzombie · 25/04/2018 14:09

And using unusual and extreme behaviour of trans individuals to explain why you have ‘peak transed’ is really unfair to trans people in general who don’t deserve to be treated like this by you all.

HesterShaw · 25/04/2018 14:09

"Violence"

Do you really think that dropping a single letter from a pronoun is akin to actual violence? Like a woman being beaten up/killed by her partner, or the mass rape of females during times of war by male solders?

Or are you just on a bit of a piss take?

TheUterati · 25/04/2018 14:11

Author - I am not 'misgendering'. I am accurately referring to this person's sex, a fact that is directly relevant to his claim to be pregnant, or in the case of others, their claims that they have periods.

Neither you nor any of these individuals have a right to insist that their delusion trumps my right to use language accurately.

Further, it is not an act of violence. We are constantly told that it is, but it manifestly is not. Were you to call me 'he', what would happen to me? NOTHING. What violence would be committed? NONE.

I am perfectly aware why you all require so badly that the 'correct' pronouns are used. It is because the claim to womanhood solely consists in the social agreement that you are one. Hence, any deviation from that position, by saying 'he' instead of 'she' poses an ontological threat: your 'womanhood' is solely social agreement, so my disagreement weakens it.

But my womanhood consists of empirically verifiable scientific fact. The incorrect use of language to refer to me: 'he', 'man', 'male' makes no difference the fact that I am a woman.

Justanotherzombie · 25/04/2018 14:13

So basically you are saying Uterati, words are only words and can’t cause any real damage....

Datun · 25/04/2018 14:14

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OohMavis · 25/04/2018 14:15

If you referred to me as 'cis' it would piss me off. If you called me a cunt it might hurt my feelings.

Still wouldn't be violence.

TheUterati · 25/04/2018 14:16

No. Words are powerful, and in particular the right to name and to define confers great power. It is by naming things that we are able to eg refer to them in law and to safeguard them in law.

Language is political. We all know that.

But what words cannot do is to make something not exist in the violent way that TRA insist that they do.

Toomanybourbons · 25/04/2018 14:17

'And using unusual and extreme behaviour of trans individuals to explain why you have ‘peak transed’ is really unfair to trans people in general who don’t deserve to be treated like this by you all.'

You know, if this was just a case of a few poor, deluded souls who are obviously unwell, I'd ignore it and move on.

The problem lies in the fact that these people are LISTENED to. We have large organisations such as Planned Parenthood calling women 'menstruators' and saying that some men have uteruses. We are told by high profile TRAs like Monroe Bergdorf that talking about our biology is transphobic, at women's marches of all places.

We hear abortion organisations talking about 'pregnant people' and companies that make bras for teenage girls forced to issue grovelling apologies for referring to their customers as 'girls' and companies that make period pants talk about their customers as 'menstruating people'.

This collective insanity is not just confined to a few little corners of the Internet. It's seeping into everything and it is important that women appreciate what is happening and via sites like Mumsnet are empowered to call it out for the Orwellian, erasing, dangerous nonsense that it is.

Women don't deserve to be treated like this. We don't deserve to be erased.

Yet here we are.

PositivelyPERF · 25/04/2018 14:18

Arther, forcing me to lie about someone’s sex and trying to bully me into using untrue ‘titles’ to describe someone is literal violence and I feel triggered.

PositivelyPERF · 25/04/2018 14:18

Spellcheck Auther

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