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Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

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cforte0 · 19/04/2018 22:21

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone, even when we mention gender equality it is immediately presumed that it's an issue where women are in need of support and empowerment.
Is that not inherently sexist, solely focusing on the rights of only a subset of our species, why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?
There are at least 6 separate organisations where I work that advocate for gender equality and/or diversity and/or women's rights, and every one of them is focused on women's rights. Where I work females out perform and out number men, I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man, and there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.
I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

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TerranceandPhilip · 20/04/2018 10:15

Could you expand on this point I'm not quite sure I follow?

It's simple enough. MRA'S and feminists are two sides of the same coin. Both hate filled self interest groups who believe that the world owes them something and that they're disadvantaged in some way. Even the demographics are pretty much the same. White and middle class, living in a western country in 2018 believing they're "opressed" is laughable really.

A phobia is an irrational fear.

I know it's feminism 101 to change the meaning of words to meet your own agenda, but let's keep it to its common usage for now.

BertrandRussell · 20/04/2018 10:24

Do you really think feminists are like that?

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 20/04/2018 10:27

It's simple enough. MRA'S and feminists are two sides of the same coin. Both hate filled self interest groups who believe that the world owes them something and that they're disadvantaged in some way. Even the demographics are pretty much the same. White and middle class, living in a western country in 2018 believing they're "opressed" is laughable really.

A little game for you, just for starters like. Look at the BBC news homepage every day for a month. Note down the stories of male violence perpetrated against women and female violence perpetrated against men. Make sure you include any incidences of sexual violence here. Compare the two and see if it tells you anything. What it will tell you is the tip of the iceberg.

Just out of interest since you obviously see us as 'TERFs' - what rights would you like trans people to have that you currently do not believe they have? In what ways are women the oppressors here?

JustOneMan · 20/04/2018 10:33

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TerranceandPhilip · 20/04/2018 10:35

Do you really think feminists are like that?

I didn't until I started reading this forum, but yes I certainly do now.

BertrandRussell · 20/04/2018 10:37

"I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?".

No idea. But if you tell me more I might be able to make a judgement.....

BertrandRussell · 20/04/2018 10:39

"I didn't until I started reading this forum, but yes I certainly do now."

Are you including all the people on this thread? I am a feminist-can you show me where I have been hate filled? Where I have said the world owes me anything?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 20/04/2018 10:39

I'm not reading nine pages. Can someone tell me how many MRA ploppers there have actually been to spin this out for 9 pages?

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 20/04/2018 10:40

Terence do you want to actually engage in debate, where you will address specific points and construct a counter argument? Or are you just here to drop what you think are acerbic but witty (they're neither by the way) comments about how awful feminists are?

DixieFlatline · 20/04/2018 10:42

the one that I just can't make myself drink no matter how good for me it's meant to be is nettle. Just the smell makes me want to run away.

I tried it once and for some reason it smelled like the stuff that came out of my cat's neck abscess nearly a decade earlier.

snowbear66 · 20/04/2018 10:43

hate filled self interest group
What are you doing on the Feminism chat board of Mumsnet if you think feminism is a waste of time.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 10:51

I'm not reading nine pages.

well you will miss out on the Little Rhino Song.

Big mistake

Huge

TerranceandPhilip · 20/04/2018 10:51

Terence do you want to actually engage in debate, where you will address specific points and construct a counter argument? Or are you just here to drop what you think are acerbic but witty (they're neither by the way) comments about how awful feminists are?

I don't think my comments are acerbic or witty.

There's not much to debate really, and clearly the rest of the posters on here don't/can't because they've tried to belittle the OP by talking about tea. I was merely trying to show the hypocrisy of one of the comments on here.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 10:52

self interest group

well durr.

I'll dispute the hatefilled though

AngryAttackKittens · 20/04/2018 10:52

Pretty much, Dixie! I know I made the cat's bum face when I opened the bag and took my first sniff.

And I see we've reached the "I supported feminism until I met you evil bitches" point of the MRA on a feminist forum lifecycle. Has he mentioned Christina Hoff Sommers yet?

AskBasil · 20/04/2018 10:53

Honestly women, you do not owe yet another tedious entitled white man who knows nothing of what it is like to be a woman in the west, who has literally no fucking idea how different women's experience of life is, to that of men, even in the privileged west, any little moment of your time or brainspace.

Men like this are not here to learn or engage properly, if they were remotely interested in women, they would not be so motivated to come onto the feminist section of a woman's forum, in order to tell us how privileged we are. They are here to waste your time and suck your energy, just as they were socialised to do and don't even know that that's what they've been socialised to do.

It's a lovely day, there are gardens, parks, flowers, sunshine to bask in. There are other threads on Mumsnet to enjoy. Please don't waste your time engaging with men who are pointless bores, unless you are deriving a perverse pleasure from it.

Flowers
AngryAttackKittens · 20/04/2018 10:53

OK, "talking about tea is belittling to men" is a new one. Well done, you.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 10:54

I think when a man turns up earnestly expecting people to share his impotent fury because women won't do his emotional labour, a degree of pisstaking is order.

the alternative is going on a hulk smash rampage and I have just redecorated.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/04/2018 10:55

Yeah but talk guidelines prevent us from taking a really good bite of the troll flesh, which is no fun.

TerranceandPhilip · 20/04/2018 10:56

And I see we've reached the "I supported feminism until I met you evil bitches" point of the MRA on a feminist forum lifecycle. Has he mentioned Christina Hoff Sommers yet?

Because anyone who doesn't support you absolutely must be male and a MRA right? The arrogance is outstanding.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 10:56

I get a perverse pleasure from being incredibly rude while staying within talk guidelines.

it's probably a personality flaw.

AskBasil · 20/04/2018 10:56

What exactly is wrong with belittling men?

When they come on to Mumsnet to mansplain us stuff, we have the right to belittle them.

And tea is an excellent thing.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/04/2018 10:57

(Outrage)

(Offense)

(Wimminz don't respect me at all and it's all terribly unfair!)

AskBasil · 20/04/2018 10:58

LOL Camper, I don't think it is.

I think it's a skill worth cultivating for when you are in the mood for it.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/04/2018 10:58

I'm now adding "talking about tea" to the list of seemingly banal things that women do that are actually oppressive to men, along with buying scented candles and having matching hand towels.

(They get quite creative about this stuff)