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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

288 replies

cforte0 · 19/04/2018 22:21

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone, even when we mention gender equality it is immediately presumed that it's an issue where women are in need of support and empowerment.
Is that not inherently sexist, solely focusing on the rights of only a subset of our species, why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?
There are at least 6 separate organisations where I work that advocate for gender equality and/or diversity and/or women's rights, and every one of them is focused on women's rights. Where I work females out perform and out number men, I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man, and there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.
I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

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AornisHades · 20/04/2018 00:34

It bloody was like warm Ribena. It was the Holy Grail of fruit tea. The box lasted a long time and I haven't replaced it :(
I need to put some effort in to finding it again.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 20/04/2018 00:34

I'm fresh out of choco tea sadly Sad.

I do have some spice chai latte though.

NKFell · 20/04/2018 00:34

I like strawberry Ribena...cold.

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:35

I stopped being a feminist because I heard the arguments from the other side. I watched a documentary called red pill or something like that and had a similar experience to the presenter. I realized I was blaming my problems on the wrong people and only I could fix them. 😁 Im all for feminism in the middle east and other areas of the globe where women haven't been emancipated. I'll be on that wagon all the way.

AornisHades · 20/04/2018 00:36

You blimmin freak NK

Antislut · 20/04/2018 00:36

No I'm pregnant, tea is my no go drink. I can taste the kettle just thinking about it.

Greymisty · 20/04/2018 00:37

I've just made hot chocolate. Sorry to the OP didnt mean to detail the thread with my beverage choice.

Strawberry ribena sounds fake....I know it's real and purchaseable but still...fake.

NowtSalamander · 20/04/2018 00:37

Come on, melty kit Kat is clearly the way forward - choc tea biscuit, win win win.

AornisHades · 20/04/2018 00:39

Right well I'm off to demonstrate my commitment to tea rights and equality by enjoying a peppermint tea in bed. #something y'all...

NKFell · 20/04/2018 00:46

Aornis Grin

nooka · 20/04/2018 04:28

I like dark chocolate and I like tea. So I bought some tea with pieces of dark chocolate in it thinking it would be great. It was just messy really. Disappointing.

thebewilderness · 20/04/2018 04:48

If I had a nickle for every time I had to tell a random d00d that Feminism is the political movement for the liberation of women.

Would you like to guess what we want to be liberated from? Go ahead!

BrandNewHouse · 20/04/2018 05:23

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eurochick · 20/04/2018 05:38

If we don't need feminism in the UK any more because equality is sorted, could you explain the recent gender pay gap statistics to me? And while you're at it, have a bash at covering female victims of male violence?

MrsUnderwood · 20/04/2018 06:32

@LightofaSilveryMoon schoolgirl error you made there. In our house Fennel tea is specifically for making shit rocket out your arse as a cure for constipation. I make my own special blend.

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg · 20/04/2018 06:33

Believe it or not men care about their mothers and sisters and daughters and didn't want them to die.

Didn't care about the other side's mothers and sisters and daughters though.

Throughout the centuries, the numbers of civilian and combatant casualties have remained about equal. It's no safer staying at home than it is going to war. Civilian_casualty

In dangerous jobs like mining, women have been actively driven out women_miners

This is of course forgetting that women also do dangerous jobs themselves, and that women have to put their lives at risk to propagate the species!

2rebecca · 20/04/2018 06:41

I'm not comfortable with the word "privilege" which to me signifies a virtue signaller and is a way of avoiding discussing the point and dismissing the other person.
I agree that men have had many crap jobs at times and won't have felt very privileged. Many not very bright working class boys are struggling in an increasingly automated world to find jobs.
However this is partly because they won't work in care homes or nursing because they see such jobs as feminine and they still earn more than us on average and many still try to dominate us and expect us to do housework and do stuff regarded as women's work for smooth family running unpaid.
Stopping poorly educated boys drifting is not what feminism is about. Back to rhinos and donkeys again.
As mothers we will support our sons and hopefully make them less sexist in their gender expectations

SophoclesTheFox · 20/04/2018 06:45

There is something achingly familiar about the sad puppy OP, surrounded by hateful harridans, then backed up by the honey badger who lost her feminism by watching the red pill movie, isn't there?

Welcome back, guys! A nice change from TRA ploppers Grin

Or is it just that I am getting old, and there is nothing new under the sun?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 20/04/2018 07:12

I'm interested in this female dominated matriarchal microcosm you work in, @cforte0

Is it a typically low paid female-dominated industry, like care work, hospitality or retail? And you're angry because it's really shit do be stuck doing hard work for low pay.

Or is it a decent or well-paid industry that doesn't usually have lots of women, and you're annoyed because you think those women are getting ahead of you unfairly?

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg · 20/04/2018 07:22

I'm interested in this female dominated matriarchal microcosm you work in, @cforte0

I thought he meant that the support he wanted seemed to be entirely for women, and staffed by women - and rather than realise that's because men aren't stepping up and doing that work or providing those services, he (yes, you've guessed it), blamed the women.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 20/04/2018 07:26

This is such a walk down memory lane, how lovely. I remember when this place was MRA's and Handmaidens as far as the eye could see

0phelia · 20/04/2018 07:30

In our house Fennel tea is specifically for making shit rocket out your arse as a cure for constipation. I make my own special blend

I did not know that. Sometimes I drink it in front of other people, do they think it's because I'm constipated? Blush

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 07:33

oh, it all kicked off after i went to bed!

Rufustheconstantreindeer, re WI, to be fair, it was actually a really good meeting, had some fabulous Indian ladies teaching us Bollywood dancing, and then they let us all try on their saris.

It's just the business at the end which goes on a bit. I do enjoy it, I don't just attend through sheer masochism, honest.

And yeah, it's been a lovely change having an MRA plopper. I enjoyed myself thoroughly.

The 20 something who watched a documentary on the internet, the name of which she can't quite remember, that made her re-examine her whole world view was a bit depressing though.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 20/04/2018 07:37

This is a bit like when people racists get up in arms about the MOBO awards.

Or having a good old XY-hine.

TheRagingGirl · 20/04/2018 07:41

I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man

Fish don’t realise they swim in water.

But seriously, are you a bit thick? Why can’t you read the very excellent books which women have written about the structures of patriarchy over the last 250 years.
You could start with Mary Wollstonecraft, A Vindication of the Rights of Women.

If you don’t trust what women say about their lives (it seems you don’t), then John Stuart Mill’s The Subjection of Women (he wrote it with his wife, Harriet Taylor, but we’ll pass over that).