Julie Burchill - I knew I was right...

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blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/i-knew-i-was-right/

“If only the trans-lobby had an iota of self-knowledge and respect towards women who have come by their consciousness through the long hard slog of growing up female rather than by the skill of the surgeon’s knife. And if only the likes of Mumsnet and the Guardian – who are belatedly taking on the trans-lobby – had had the nerve to be feminists five years ago.”

I find this thread very worrying. Some of you are being Juliephobic and don't want people called Julie to exist. You are literally killing Julies by discussing them here. My name is Julie and lots of my friends are called Julie and we don't want you to talk about Julie unless you are Julie.

Name is Spartacus.

Julie Spartacus.

All hail Julie Spartacus !

Tinlegs Actually I'm just against bisexual Julies.

I love how few fucks she gives about whether or not her tone offends people

@Hollybee1 women are brought up to be people pleasing and not rock the boat, by numerous small punishments for every transgression from birth. So for women and especially more mature women there is something glorious about watching someone our age who has managed to overcome that intense conditioning and socialisation. That doesn't necessarily mean we like her or agree with her but We love that she has overcome that socialisation.

You are either very young and don't yet realise how much you have been socialised to support men's wishes or you've been brought up male.

I have a sister in law called Julie, it's not the same Julie that the thread is about, and I don't always agree with her on everything, so I'm unable to agree with anything on this thread.

It has been very enlightening though, particularly the bit where a poster thinks an opinion on bisexuality not existing equates to literally saying people who are bisexual don't exist.

How does questioning a characteristic of someone mean that the person doesn't exist? How can someone old enough to use a computer type that?

There's also Julia Hartley Brewer. Also opinionated and DNGAF and nearly a Julie B.

It must be time for me to repeat my apology to Dittany again. I used to argue with her for hours that transwomen were no threat to women’s rights. The ones I knew weren’t. I just felt a bit sorry for them, because they really were trapped in a gendered ideology that most women were trying to break free from. But she could see the new wave of gender warriors that were revving up to erase sex based rights and move the gender debate backwards several decades, enshrining gender stereotypes in law. Sorry (again) Dittany. You were waaaay ahead of me.
The interesting thing is looking back to the parallels of the last time there was a concerted attempt by men to shut down FWR. Same shit, different day. Outing of posters. Hounding in real life. Discussions about whether the board should be hidden for posters protection. People yelling that it’s all their own fault because feminists are evil man-haters. Blah blah.
Give it another ten years, Holly. You’ll be apologizing too.

I think Julies are the way forward. Maybe we all change our name to Julie, overcome that nagging voice always telling you to be nice and take over the world.

And fascinating post Mamaryllis

I'm really not keen on this anti-Julie feminism. Julie rights are human rights.

But can a non Julie ever become a Julie if they weren't socialised that way from birth?

Right

Controversial post coming up

I prefer 'julias' to 'julies'

There ive said it...flame away

Oh no she didn't!

Oh yeah

I went there

Fact!

In 'Bad Girls' (on ITV) the 'Two Julies' did allow another inmate to become a Julie. But the inmate eventually returned to her old name and old ways.

‘Me juuulie,
I’ll be loving ya truuuly,
From me head down to ma goooolies,
Ya really turn me on with ya big Babylon’s’

Damn that’s gonna be stuck in my head all day.

The hills are alive...

... so don't bloody piss off the Julies. They'll set the hills on you.

Holly Bee 1, could you clarify where you get you idea that transgender people 'get murdered on a regular basis' from, please?

It's true that women get murdered on a regular basis, around two a week most years.

But as this opening comment on a Mumsnet thread indicated in November 2017, there is little to support what you say.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3080711-UK-transgender-murder-rate

This post makes the point that of eight reported murders of transgender people from 2008 to 2015 only six turned out to have been actually murdered and of those

3 were sex workers killed as an outcome of their sex work
2 were killed for financial reasons
1 was killed by another transgender person

Of course if you have the facts to support your claim I will be happy to change my view of the situation but as things stand it would appear to be more dangerous to be a woman than a transwoman.

Merchfach
That is interesting information. But hey, we women are literally killing transwomen.

I see HollyBee was provided with a link to records of violent and sexual assaults committed by transwomen, and has not made comment on it, even after stating that if transwomen had committed violent and sexual assaults then she would of course rethink her position. Funny how much that happens.

Mamaryllis
Dittany is a peach. We used to talk on forums and at Twisty's blog as well as at the foot of someone's stairs. She always spoke highly of Mumsnet. I joined MN to yell at you for being mean to her. Then, like her, I fell in adorable with the place and have been here off and on ever since.

It is a fact that women were encouraged to never say no to anyone by the corporate media and other unethical people. Bisexuality has been presented as a fashion statement/fad and a reality. Feminists like JB and JB talk about these things because it affect their life.
I am puzzled that peeps like Holly do not see the similarity between young women being told that they are selfish and exclusionary then and now.

I can only presume that HollyBee1 was referring to worldwide statistics, but as we are talking about changes to legislation here in the UK perhaps we need to concentrate on UK data.

But yes, hey, everyone, please stop literally killing transwomen, eh?

HollyBee is too busy sitting reading this and other threads, biting her/his lip, and thinking 'I'm on the wrong side.'

Dream on.

One lesbian acquaintance went so far as to point out that for centuries women have been accused of being slaves to their hormones – many women themselves, while bridling at this, do like to make a right old song and dance over PMT – so is it really unreasonable to suggest that the industrial qualities of artificial hormones which are vital to male-to-female transition might make the lucky recipients a little, um, excitable?

Love the way she turns the daft argument back on it's head here.