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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why are 'trans' males out of bounds for feminists?

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HopScotchy · 17/04/2018 21:41

Feminists are very clear that we discuss feminist issues in terms of sex 'classes' not individuals. We are clear that when we discuss 'men' and the problems women experience we mean "not all men". Why are we not allowed to talk about the problems women face from trans males (transwomen) "not all transwomen"? Why is it 'transphobic' 'hate' to point out that transwomen are part of this male class and do indeed despite their 'identity' conform to 'male' patterns which harm women to the same degree as other males? Why should we treat these males differently when it comes to women's spaces? What is the reason? Where is the evidence?

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RosenbergW · 19/04/2018 00:10

My fantasy me would just be me but living peacefully on a different planet :D

HopScotchy · 19/04/2018 00:16

Book me the seat next to you.

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RosenbergW · 19/04/2018 00:26

Bring snacks :)

But seriously tho and back to your original question - I don't think they will be out of bounds for much longer. This whole fad is unsustainable.

Bloodmagic · 19/04/2018 15:11

@yetanothertranswoman

The fact is that there are studies showing that males who identify as transgender, pre and post transition, retain the same rate and pattern of criminality as men do, which is very different from the rates and patterns of crimes women commit.

I'm not going to provide links, you can use google as easily as I can.

TeamOrders · 19/04/2018 19:03

Lengthy appeals to female socialisation by way of personal anecdotes on feminist forums are just another way of saying put me first yes, it's tedious, I've been biting my tongue for a few weeks.

Feminists put women and girls first. That's the point of feminism

Amen to that.

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