Guardian and manfriday! Finally, thanks Hadley!

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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/mar/31/man-explains-what-means-be-woman?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Whoop!

I'm pretty sure Hadley's here

Thank you Hadley

Deborah Orr's piece in the i was pathetic, I really should have written to them.

I think its a good article but i don't agree with this:

"This is something women and trans women will have to work out between themselves, because this is a woman’s rights issue."

Why should women have to work anything out with transwomen? Transwomen are men. Men should be working out how to balance their needs amongst themselves.

Oh thank goodness for that, I have felt so let down by The Guardian, it is so good to see a little progress and common sense.

Brilliant. Succinct, clear and honest enough to acknowledge the work to be done negotiating between transwomen (not TRAs) and women. I jolly nearly pressed the support the Guardian button and paid for my read... maybe #guardian, a few more evidences of unbiased reporting and many more of us will come back.

Yes, Thank you again Hadley

I felt it was the first thing I have been able to share on fb. Haven't quite, yet. But I think I will.

Ace!

That is an amazing article. Every single word.

Contrary to what some men think, the feelings of self-identified trans women are not the only ones that matter. There are a couple of four-letter words for those who insist otherwise. But “woke” ain’t one of them.

THANK YOU HADLEY!

Brilliant article.

Is it in today's paper? I miss the Saturday Guardian.

I love her for this

It's really fab until
"There is no simple solution to accommodating both the rights of self-identified trans women and other women."

Not other women- women. (And self id women = men)

But it's in the guardian so I can only assume she had to work hard & get the editors drunk to get it in

I love Hadley and she must be getting a hard time from Shon, Owen Jones and Gaby h.
I seem to remember she is the mum of twin boys.
She is extremely articulate on many subjects.
She won’t win this though: too many males are invested in arguing for submissive, hyper-sexualised version of women.

Hooray Hadley! (Runs around house with tshirt pulled over head in manner of football goal celebration).

Hadley has always been my favourite (used to read her back in the day when she was the only sane fashion correspondent in the newspaper business), but now I've fallen in love with her all over again.

(Also loving the thought of an LOJ mantrum... Bet he's lying on the floor drumming his heels right now.)

Thank you, Hadley.

I donated to the Guardian today.

Good article, generally, but I am not an "other woman" as she says towards the end. I am a woman, and we were here first.

I’m trying to think of anything more patriarchal than telling women to stop fussing about vaginas at a Women’s March. A biopic about the Old Testament God starring Mike Pence?

LOL!

That's right, Hadley. Name the problem - men's rights activism. Nothing to do with a more accepting world for transsexuals. Everything to do with the rights of the penis.

Yes I agree with you Biologymatters. This is something that men need to work out with transwomen - accepting them into their rightful spaces, rather than invading womens'.

And Hadley - any chance of tweeting or retweeting the petition? Understand of course if not possible but if you could it would be amazing ... as you say, women and trans women need to work this out and we need a voice at the table.

I donated to the Guardian today.

I wouldn't go that far. In service of transactivism, the Grauniad has done more damage to women than the entire right wing press over the last five years. I, for one, am hoping it goes bust sooner rather than later.

Bloodyvhell that's brilliant

I'm ashamed to say I haven't yet cancelled my subscription. It flashed up from the app as I've set it for a few notifications from a few eg Hadley from the weekend edition so it must be in today?

Barely skim read before composing a post I was so astounded, thought I'd better skim read a bit more carefully before actually posting... but it doesn't disappoint.

I think she's been v clever directing this at mansplaining and liberalism and the woke folx.

Contrary to what some men think, the feelings of self-identified trans women are not the only ones that matter. There are a couple of four-letter words for those who insist otherwise. But “woke” ain’t one of them.

Brilliant.

I thought it was a very good piece right up to the point quoted by BiologyMatters. She seemed to pull her punches towards the end, failing to make the fairly crucial point that "transwomen" these days are largely cross-dressers rather than men with gender dysphoria. Perhaps the Guardian made her tone it down.

I was glad she mentioned the boy Madigan, though. I expect he will add it to his collection of examples of being "bullied".

Deborah Orr was sacked by the Guardian when they relaunched as a tabloid in January.

About the comments being switched off - I agree it's incredibly annoying but I can also understand why they do it. On any controversial subject, e.g. racism, Islamophobia, trans rights, rape etc. the Guardian mods would always have to work flat out deleting offensive comments (or in the case of trans rights, fairly sensible, reasonably-worded comments, but heigh ho). So I can see why they just decided to disable comments on those pieces. They don't have a moral obligation to let readers comment on articles - it's entirely up to them.

This is something women and trans women will have to work out between themselves, because this is a woman’s rights issue. Any man, who has no idea what it’s like to be oppressed as a woman or self-identified trans woman, and who comes riding in on a white horse and tries to shut down the debate with inflammatory language, is not helping. There is no simple solution to accommodating both the rights of self-identified trans women and other women. In some cases, they’ll share spaces, in some they won’t, and sometimes a third option will have to be found

It looks like Hadley has no issue with the current system with the way people go to a clinic and get a GRC - she's made a distinction between "self identified trans women" and "other women".

Maybe that's what she thought what was reasonable to get into the Guardian?

As an aside - Was Man Friday was covered in the Guardian?