Shon Fay smearing mumsnet on twitter.

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I'm blocked by Shon so can't read her tweets, but someone posted this screenshot

I've not RTWT so s/o else may have already said this, but there is an absolutely gorgeous photo of Shon in the Indy today. A puff piece on their favourite 14 transpeoples (except somehow they miss our Lily, and Heather, maybe their fees have gone up?).

Enjoy www.indy100.com/article/trans-lives-shon-faye-juno-dawson-riley-carter-india-willoughby-travis-alabanza-annie-wallace-8099866

The thing with escalators is that there are always alternatives, stairs or lifts for example so that people who have a fear of escalators can be accommodated.

The thing with escalators is that they're not responsible for 99% of cases of rape, and they don't kill two women a week in the UK. Men do, though, which is why women want to maintain single sex spaces.

I realize that Paris, being male, doesn't understand this. Paris's inability to comprehend should possibly be pitied, but should not be accommodated. It's just something he's going to have to get past.

No. No matter how often the narrative is framed as 'this is a done deal', no it isn't. No, you don't get to set the parametres of the conversation. No, you don't get to be the only person worthy of respect or being heard. Women are not inferior to you. Women will not be obeying you.

^^this is exactly now any internal, (or external for that matter) monologue that I have, automatically goes.

'Because I say so', really isn't the clincher they so fondly think it is.

Fortunately, women are half the population. Equally fortunately, our grandmothers and great grandmothers secured us the vote.

Paris Lees' hopelessly old-fashioned patriarchal attitude is clouding their judgement of women, because men everywhere still have a sense of entitlement.

Allowing people to automatically change sex doesn't affect men, or people like Paris detrimentally.

So they don't get it. Once it's pointed out, they try and argue against it. Their arguments are automatically spurious (escalators), because, again, they don't get it.

Even if the statistics (98%) are laid out, they go to into predictable MRA mode with indignant NAMALTING.

Unfortunately for Paris, women's lived existence, despite being backed up statistics, doesn't actually rely on them. Because women do get it.

Women everywhere don't have to know that men commit 98% of sexually violent crime, to know why they don't want to share changing rooms with them.

And their answer will be no.

Paris Lees' laughable reasoning of 'because I said so', won't stand a chance.

How dare Paris Lees compare a fear of escalators to a fear of male bodied people?How fucking dare they?

Paris Lees doesn't have a clue. Saying 'there is absolutely no evidence' that trans rights (which appear to consist of letting anyone identify as a woman and gain access to women's spaces) could endanger women's rights, does not make that statement true.

Also interesting that Paris choose that metaphor in that when escalators malfunction it's not a malicious act. They don't intend to hurt any passengers who might be inside. Predatory men otoh...

I guess Paris is of the "rape is just a thing that happens, like hurricanes and earthquakes" school of sexist bollocks.

Sorry if this has already been linked to but I’ve been looking though some of Shon’s work published when they were writing ‘pre-transition’ - this is interesting m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sean-faye/so-why-does-feminism-igno_b_1135431.html

However, I think there is a general problem when it comes to men and feminism. Some feminists say it's the oppressors' rage at seeing their patriarchal power and dominion threatened; I say that, in a lot of cases, it's just that men don't get it. Why would we?

Eddie Izzard on Labour's NEC might be a bit of an own goal, in the same way that he backfired on Remain in the referendum.
People of a certain age remember him fondly for his comedy, but to others he could well be tiresome, irritating and unconvincing.

Shon has just had a twitter rant over stuff raised on this thread.

Ha!

Peck peck!

GoldenBough

"So. I think a lot of this 'identifying as' something is actually about being very 'normal' but finding a label to describe every aspect of you your, rather ordinary, idiosyncrasies. "

Very interesting post, especially this part. That's exactly what I have been thinking. Everyone is trying to label themselves to somehow stand out from the boring old "cishet" as it's now called.

What business is that of yours pink??

pink what does it matter? XY doesn’t become XX after surgery.

Maybe pink is simply curious to know whether a "woman" who suggests telling kids to "suck dick" has a dick of their own?

I don't believe Shon has had that particular gender reassignment surgery, pink.

Sadly, there is no making sense of it. Men can now be women (penis and all) just because they say so.

Everyone is trying to label themselves to somehow stand out from the boring old "cishet" as it's now called

Yes, it's almost like people want to be able to say that they are oh so oppressed. It reminds me a bit of 'the only gay in the village' from Little Britain.

Little Britain was prophetic, between that and Emily Howard.

I think grown adults can do whatever they like to their bodies, having surgery to your penis does not make you a woman and I don’t think we should be discussing a persons genitals like this.
It’s irrelevant whether they’ve had surgery.

Identifying as a vegetarian while eating meat (someone's son's gf) was definitely the funniest bit to come out of this conversation.

(And nothing to do with Shon.)

It’s not irrelevant. If you claim to be a woman when you are a man I demand to know on what basis you say this.

The coyness around genital surgery is entirely fake. Obviously you wouldn’t ask a woman or a man about the state of their genitals unless there was something you needed to know about that. They are copying that coyness to cover up for the fact that most of the TRAs we hear anything from are all about the dick.