DV "gone wrong"

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I'm struggling for words....

What's DV done right supposed to look like?

This is part of Jane trying to argue why women don't need single sex spaces....own goal right there.

That review says it all. Fae has merely placed themselves in the most "politically in-group" which women and gays used to occupy.
They don't identify with women in any way. The hatred is clear to see from all of these TRA's. We are nothing but objects who should have no voice.

They are infiltrating the government. Getting rid of opposing voices and will then change any policy they can to destroy our right to be protected.

Well that run down of extreme porn is repulsive - I was quite a bit happier before knowing things like that existed in the world.

Do the people involved in classifying films or the law around it get counselling? I feel a bit sick just reading what's posted on the thread, I haven't even clicked on the links, never mind watching it.

Right. Why isn’t this being reported as hate speech?
A poster on here was reported to the police and interviewed under caution for a gender critical, non violent post, but this blatant incitement to violence against women as a class is allowed to fly?

This just does not pass the ‘replace with black person/jew/muslim’ test does it? If this was a a piece about lynching being just a bit of fun gone wrong there would be (quite rightly) utter uproar. And there isn’t because the target is women

I am horrified by this. Please can everyone who is on twitter report this and flag to police?

Tbh I thought about reporting but frankly I'm inclined to let it stay on his twitter timeline to show to anyone who looks what a deplorable attitude he has.

I think a simple explanation for why Fae is booked so often by the media is that he is one of the only trans activists who is willing to actually debate with feminists.

Yes, I can see that.

However, if that's all they can get, that's all they can get. Introduce the person as what they are - extreme pornography and trans advocate - or don't have them on.

Audiences are being misled even more than I had realised. There must be a way to challenge broadcasters - particularly the BBC - on this.

How this person claims to be a "feminist writer" is beyond me but that is the case in The Guardian bio and how described by C4 News etc. Not just "woman" that is becoming completely meaningless but also "feminist" if someone who advocates porn depicting women's murder and mutilation is endorsed as such by major organisations.

They are infiltrating the government. Getting rid of opposing voices and will then change any policy they can to destroy our right to be protected It sounds far fetched but that is what I also believe is the agenda of the TRAS. They only need to get one trans identifying person into an influential role in each political party and other institutions of influence for policies to be changed against us. Plenty of men will jump on board to throw women under the bus and plenty of women will get on board to look inclusive and protect their job.

CAAN is a member of Backlash, an umbrella group against censorship. Also members are Feminists against Censorship. Founded by guess who? Roz Kaveney, another TRA

If this was a a piece about lynching being just a bit of fun gone wrong there would be (quite rightly) utter uproar. And there isn’t because the target is women**

Precisely. No one gives two shits about protecting and speaking for women. Those that do get shot down as feminazis/TERFs. It's frightening

It is also worth noting that CAAN - according to Wikepedia - is concerned about the following aspects of safeguarding :
Clauses in the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 that ban people from working in jobs involving children or "vulnerable adults" if they possess "sexually explicit images depicting violence against human beings".[15] The government state that 11.3 million will have to register with the scheme,[16] although the number has been estimated by others at over 14 million.[17]
&
As of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, sexual images of 16- and 17-year-olds are treated as child pornography, even though the age of consent remains at 16 (CAAN states it has no interest in tinkering with the age of consent, however they believe this change in the law to be "misguided and disproportionate" The latter quote lacks a citation.

Interesting that they wish to dismantle aspects of safeguarding laws. Now why would someone want to do that?

Aw, Jane fae blocked me on Twitter.

I didn’t even comment

Isn't Jane Fae a speaker for Mermaids? That charity that supports gender diverse and transgender children ?

Toby Young has recently been booted out of two education related posts because of his unacceptable tweets objectifying women and being offensive about working class students and the disabled.

I wonder where being part of a group allegedly seeking to challenge aspects of our safeguarding laws and actively promoting BDSM and 'consensual slavery' sits in terms of being a suitable role model to influence children?? Does Mermaids allow this person to work directly with children?

Thank you for the information in this thread. I've seen too many "TERF & SWERF" combined defenses of commercial sexual exploitation and trans-identified men's pornsick conceptions of themselves as female to think it mere coincidence.

On top of Jane Fae and Roz Kaveney, there's Janet Mock's popular book promoted in worldwide media that included defenses of transgender rights and the more wholesome aspects of child prostitution.

Back when I was still giving trans the benefit of the doubt, I read of Surang Janyam, a TIM who started a sex worker group in Thailand and who got lots of media attention and awards. I remember starting to notice how many so-called sex worker rights groups (also in Norway and Mexico) were started and fronted by the tiny population of men who pretend they're women.
www.nswp.org/timeline/event/surang-janyam-wins-human-rights-defenders-award

I can also think of Tobi Hill-Meyer, high-profile “pornographer" and TIM activist, writer, and feminist event leader. tobihillmeyer.com/books/

The sheer number of them writing books and forming politically active pheminist groups with this duo of goals (notice there's no racial -ERF) is more than a casual connection. In the current climate, few journalists can dare to ask “What’s with the TERF & SWERF pairing?”

That’s why there are radical feminists. :)

CapnHaddock

So from that review, it seems Ozimek is arguing that gays and women occupy a special victimhood status in our society when actually they're not as discriminated against as men like him to transgress all our societal norms. Who argue that censorship of films in which men torture women is wrong. We all have free choice. There is no trafficking, there is no coercion, there is no rape, there is only consent and using force to get one's way.

And murder is just domestic violence pushed that little bit too far.

Oddly enough, that's exactly what MRAs argue. Isn't that strange? So very very odd and strange that these two viewpoints would align like that. /s

Interesting to see Jess Phillips retweeted condemnation

Jess Phillips Retweeted
Karen Ingala Smith
‏Verified account @K_IngalaSmith
12h12 hours ago

Peddling of falsehood wrapped up as knowledge (actually most men who commit intimate partner femicide make a decision to kill) and the minimising of the impact of domestic violence & abuse for those who live with it let alone those who have been killed, a new low for Jane Fae

Actually, this whole thing has really upset me. How bloody dare this vile person set themselves up as some kind of arbiter of moral goodness when he's behaved so shoddily?

And good for Jess Phillips, I hope she gets the back up she needs, because they're going to fucking eat her.

Good for Jess Phillips

Good for Jess. We need to support her because she's going to need it. The transborg will be angry

Wow

Please read this tweet

Says everything about Jane Fae

twitter.com/terryfarmer669/status/978322380069142530

In a way, im glad that he posted that tweet because I've learnt that he's not the affable acceptable face of trans activism that he likes to portray. The mask is starting to slip and more of the public will start to see what's really going on but reading that tweet is hard going.

The group was formed to oppose the UK Government's 2008 bill to outlaw porn of the type that was believed to have inspired the murder of Jane Longhurst.

2010 John adopts the name Jane.

His hatred for women - who have done nothing to him - must be killing him. He has a dark soul.

I have nothing new to add but I wanted to register my contempt, both for the original tweet and the subsequent attempt to minimise it.

On a positive note, Fae has presented us with the perfect argument for women-only safe spaces. As the op says, a spectacular own goal.

I personally hope that Fae's comments are left up for everyone to see and that Fae is reminded of it every time they make a media appearance.

Interesting that they wish to dismantle aspects of safeguarding laws. Now why would someone want to do that?

Christ. It's PIE all over again.