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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DrRadfem aka Venice Allan has been blocked from Twitter

267 replies

Trueheart1 · 23/03/2018 08:41

Some are suggesting it may be permanently. The silencing of women continues.

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PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 11:17

Hey I'm now on @Evie_Tee but am already shadow banned

I’ve just read this, missed it first time round. I thought the poster was the one who made that decision. 😲 If Twitter is shadow banning people, is it a way of getting a list of ‘watching feminists’? People like me that aren’t ‘on’ Twitter but read. If I join in order to see the shadow banned posters, they will ‘know’ me, iykwim. That’s very worrying.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 11:36

MY's main account looks shadowbanned but I've just seen her alt account is active but protected.

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 11:44

DarthArts I keep thinking about signing up to Twitter, but am trying to learn as I read. Could you tell me the difference between shadow banned and protected please. Can Twitter make the decision to put you under ‘protected’ status, without your say so?

Daff0dil · 27/03/2018 11:50

There is a very concerted effort amongst a group of TRA to get particular accounts blocked , reported and in the very near future permanently banned.
On some accounts blocks are celebrated, tactics shared, blue shields collected (twitter response to the person reporting).
Twitter is being deliberately manipulated .

Daff0dil · 27/03/2018 11:51

& I would add that many people using twitter are being manipulated as a consequence and unaware of the full extent.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 12:01

So you can protect your own account which means only your followers get to see your tweets.

If an account breaks twitter rules then three actions can be taken.

  1. You get suspended for a period (a week and few days etc) where your account is effectively locked out.
  1. The twitter algorithm (I'm not an expert on this but I think it's at least partially based on the number of complaints) picks up an issue and shadow bans. This is designed to restrict the influence of the account. It means followers don't get notified if you make any tweets and no tweets you make can be re-tweeted. I suspect a lot of TRA's are targeting key accounts and effectively kicking in the protocols for the algorithm via mass complaints.
  1. Twitter deletes your account and all the posts you've made are removed and lost.
LittleLebowski · 27/03/2018 12:42

Oh, so that's where Miranda Yardley is? I thought she'd gone on holiday or something. Blush I need to google 'shadow banning'.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 12:56

Sorry a few more points.

Protected accounts. Obviously this is under the account holders control. It has pros and cons. Yes only followers see your tweets and when someone asks to follow you the opportunity to check their posting history is yours.

It also has the benefit of acting like a closed Facebook group. So if for example you wanted to target another user in a coordinated fashion it's a good base to plan that from.

That said, a lot of people protect their accounts simply to drown out the noise of the twittersphere as it were, no malicious intent whatsoever.

The downside of protection is that your tweets don't make it outside the bubble you've created which makes gaining more followers (if that's your intention) difficult.

I guess the think to be aware of is that many users have multiple accounts.

At an extreme they have one main account to publicise their point of view. A protected account to facilitate group private chat. Then multiple other troll accounts they can use to make complaints or to bait people. By bait I mean make an offensive/controversial tweet about their own cause in the hope people like/comment and then they pile in with their other accounts yelling bigot.

Other behaviour - which is particularly annoying - is when a user whose blocks you is altered (by someone else) to a tweet you've made they object to. They unblock you long enough to tweet as response them block again. The issue being that as the blocked user, you can't see what they've tweeted or know they've tweeted at all and thus have no right of reply. Your only hope is that someone else who is not blocked tweets you to it and screenshots the tweet so you can see and respond. I've seen Helen from Mermaids @mimmymum do this a few times.

I guess the upshot of what I'm saying is that if you know how it works and put the effort in Twitter can absolutely be manipulated to enhance your cause and work to silence your detractors.

If you have a relatively small following tbh it's unlikely your going to get much negative attention, but for bigger hitters it can be a real problem.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 12:58

Explains shadow bans:

nicebrains.com/technology/twitter-shadowban-fix/

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 13:01

Sorry for all the typos - fat fingers today...

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 13:01

Thank you DarthArts. I’m going to save your posts for future reference, as the whole thing is confusing for a computer no hope, like me. 😁

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 13:05

Since I’m going to be new to Twitter, is there a way if letting Miranda know I’m a friend and not foe? Am I able to send her a message? I was thinking of letting her know my I’d on here. Obviously I wouldn’t post on Twitter under this I’d.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 13:13

On a protected account the user will usually check your profile to see what you've liked, tweeted, retweeted etc to decide if your friend or foe.

I've never protected my account so tbh I'm not sure if you can DM (direct message - like a PM here) a protected account to say you come in peace.

I asked to follow Miranda's alt account and got accepted quite quickly, but one glance at my posting history makes it pretty clear what my stance is Grin.

I'd simply ask to follow and if you don't get accepted let me know via PM and I'll DM Miranda with your twitter name to explain you're a friend.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 27/03/2018 13:16

Darth

Re blocked accounts, open the account in a private window, then you will be able to see what they have written about you. Screenshot the tweet and then you can reply to the tweet. They will see the response if you have not blocked them. And see how futile it is.

Of course, if someone blocks you, you should block back because people like those you mentions still like to spy on accounts they have blocked. They would also, of course, be able to see what you have tweeted using the method above.

And it all gets rather silly Grin. No point in making it easy for the fuckers though

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 13:19

Yes that's deffo one way to do it but it doesn't negate the problem that you often don't know they've tweeted about you in the first place.

The other option is to have a second "clean" account that you don't really use other than to follow people who've blocked you.

Of course I wouldn't do anything like that Wink

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 13:20

That’s brilliant DarthArts, thank you. I don’t think you will have much trouble working out where I stand on subjects. I post on a couple of dozen threads a day.😁 I’m going to try to set up an account later tonight and see how I get on.

Idontdowindows · 27/03/2018 13:20

All but three of my tweets were removed. Not by me, I've not been on my account in ages. But apparently they were too pro-woman for Twitter.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 13:27

Latest from Kirkup

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 13:35

That’s a brilliant article, though I’m a bit concerned that it may ‘out’ the poster that was threatened in work. No matter how nicely it was worded to her, that poster has been threatened to shut her up.

I love the fact that he pointed out that men aren’t called terfs. He’s obviously a Mumsnet reader. waves 👋🏼

SunsetBeetch · 27/03/2018 13:49

Wow great article.

Mumsnut · 27/03/2018 13:56

Wish he'd post on the Twitter inequities. Might get some action taken. I think Twitter was quite defensive when James O'Brien (?) made a programme alleging that conservative tweeters were effectively 'greyed out.'

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 14:28

Agree Mumsnut.

James - if your reading I'm pretty sure there's a good story waiting to be uncovered on Twitter suppression of accounts.

LittleLebowski · 27/03/2018 14:51

DarthArts
Thanks for all the explanations - I am going to go through it all properly.
What is Miranda's alt account? There's nothing on her website. Is it not something easy to find/being kept quiet? I miss her tweets.

DarthArts · 27/03/2018 15:03

@mirandayardley is the alt account

@terrorizermir is the main one that looks shadow banned (or suspended).

LittleLebowski · 27/03/2018 15:31

Thanks, I have followed.