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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jack Munroe is now a man

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DJLippy · 21/03/2018 15:53

She's trying to recruit J.K.Rowling

Jack Munroe is now a man
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pinkcandy84 · 21/03/2018 18:23

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TERFragetteCity · 21/03/2018 18:23

You know what I actually do is to get to know people who are trans. You know, in real life? The real world.

They're actually totally normal and lovely. Which is why reading this bile is so objectionable.

Yes I do know trans people in 'real life'.

I first 'knew' a trans women in the 1980s.

This IS NOT about those people though.

Shame you don't actually read these threads to find out the crux of the issue.

terryleather · 21/03/2018 18:23

You may welcome your erasure, but quite clearly others don't.

Djnoun · 21/03/2018 18:23

No, I'm much more concerned about levying blind hatred on people you don't even know because their beliefs are different to yours.

VladmirsPoutine · 21/03/2018 18:25

I'm sure there are lovely trans people in the world @Djnoun. I've had the pleasure of coming across a few. But what their entire movement entails is the eradication of women's everything: Rights, spaces, statistics, care, support - the whole lot.

I'm sure most of them are lovely and only want to get on with their own lives with no bother to anyone else. But then let them do that. We don't need a change in law to allow them to become 'officially' women. If anything, let's build more unisex facilities - not encourage them to come in with the women.

This is an attack on women. Another attack. We already suffer in the workplace and at home from all sorts of crap; from being paid less to carrying the mental load. And now men in dresses want to join us. Fuck that. I will and am campaigning against this. It is patently not right.

The TRA movement is just another example (of many examples) of women being made/told to make allowances for a bunch of men and an assault on their womanhood.

They've created MH issues among the young, they've changed policy among popular shops and changed statistics among crime and violence rates of women and they're now wanting an entire redefinition of the concept of 'womanhood'. The world has gone truly insane. Luckily there are a few of us that are shouting about it and refuse to be silenced.

yetanothertranswoman · 21/03/2018 18:25

It’s really confusing to your average person who just wants to be inclusive- but not at the expense of giving up biology completely

It's really confusing to me as well - as a transsexual. I have been criticised in the past by Jack for commenting on non binary and wondering what it meant - and then criticised by someone else for using the term 'transsexual'. (to describe myself)

No doubt I'll be on a block list soon.

Djnoun · 21/03/2018 18:26

Read the thread? The crux of the issue?

This is about a brief exchange on twitter about wizard's outfits. I did ask for it to be explained how, specifically, this affects my rights, but an explanation has yet to be forthcoming.

pinkcandy84 · 21/03/2018 18:26

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JellySlice · 21/03/2018 18:28

Where do you see hatred?Confused

I object to having someone's different beliefs foisted upon me. Why are their beliefs more important than my rights?

Why are their beliefs truer than evidential science?

yetanothertranswoman · 21/03/2018 18:28

This IS NOT about those people though

However - when someone with a platform like JK Rowling endorses what is a common insult for transwomen, it does have an effect on 'those people' - even though she may well be referring to those people who aren't transsexual.

It just makes the world that much harder to navigate.

JellySlice · 21/03/2018 18:29

Djnoun, the thread has moved on.

Djnoun · 21/03/2018 18:30

Oh, your trans bashing has nothing to do with actual trans people.

How bizarre!! What is it about then? The mythical trans people. The dark undercurrent of a nebulous force waiting to rape us all? Sorry, that sounds a little screwy to me.

terryleather · 21/03/2018 18:30

I'm not interested in people's beliefs tbh.

But I am interested in laws being changed and rights being taken away from women and girls based purely on a man believing himself to be a woman.

HakunaDentata · 21/03/2018 18:30

Well if proper discussion about this issue had been allowed maybe there wouldn't be so much bitterness on some threads.

The discussion is now starting only because some very brave women have forced it to happen.

I don't see anything wrong with letting off a bit of bile sometimes. But if you want a real shock I'd recommend THE THREAD OF RAGE Wink

Djnoun · 21/03/2018 18:30

@JellySlice

I don't think it has, sweetheart.

JellySlice · 21/03/2018 18:31

actual trans people

Define, please.

CadyHeron · 21/03/2018 18:32

You've been told what it's about. Denying biology.

CadyHeron · 21/03/2018 18:33

But I am interested in laws being changed and rights being taken away from women and girls based purely on a man believing himself to be a woman.

This.

Djnoun · 21/03/2018 18:34

Apparently this is not about actual trans people. I'd love a definition of the opposite to an actual trans person. Who, or what, are they? Do they lurk in the shadows? Are they like vampires? You never actually see one and live to tell the tale?

JessicaJonesJacket · 21/03/2018 18:34

TAs have 'beliefs'. Most posters on here prefer facts. Since you seem confused about the difference, I guess you didn't read the article linked upthread.

Djnoun · 21/03/2018 18:36

But apparently, other people 'denying biology' means we're going to end up living in a rape dystopia. How?

Is this mapped out, with like a time line and everything? What year are we predicted to enter the total chaos zone?

JellySlice · 21/03/2018 18:37

Most of the posters on these threads couldn't give a monkey's about what people call themselves or what they wear. 'Trans', as a class, is a non-issue. The issue is the demand being made that women give up all our rights to a sub-group of men hiding behind the name 'Trans'.

VladmirsPoutine · 21/03/2018 18:39

Stop being so entirely disingenuous.

If it really doesn't matter then why can't transwomen continue to use male spaces? If it's all just hysteria then surely they'd be fine in male changing rooms and they'd see no need to lobby for a change in law on self-identification?

Oh wait...

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Datun · 21/03/2018 18:39

Djnoun

Men commit 98% of sexually violent crime and 90% of violent crime.

When women are in a vulnerable position, in a state of undress, a rape refuge, prison or hospital, we separate by sex, on the basis that women require privacy and dignity away from men, and also safety.

Equality law and self identification will mean that anyone can identify as a woman, thereby making sex segregation meaningless.