Why are TIMs colonising womanhood when they hate us?

[SwearyG]

I am so angry right now that I don't think I'm going to make sense. TIMs hate us don't they - at least the TRA ones. They hate us. Everything we say logically and calmly and evidence based is just denied, minimised and ridiculed. It seems that we're collateral damage in the battle for them to appropriate womanhood. They don't care how many of us are raped, abused, assaulted, belittled, etc. As long as they get to set the agenda and rewrite the fucking world where nobody can exist without them being centred.

I have just listened to the World Service this morning where they took my points about dignity and consent and said I was being ridiculous and trans people, indeed men, aren't a threat to women and that it's the same as denying gay rights. I can't even come up with a coherent argument to that because it's so ludicrous.

Woman means something, I'm buggered if I'm giving it up without a fight and I'm also buggered if I'm going to pretend that male violence isn't a problem.

Why do they hate us?

Why do so many heteromen go along with the "transwomen are women" agenda?

Even lefty dudebros don't really believe transwomen are women (that SNP guy on QT last night "it's a self-evident truth that transwomen are women"... WTF... we're not just having to redefine "woman" but also "truth" and "self-evident"???) but they can't see the harm - because self-ID does not affect them in any real shape or form - so would rather stick hot needles in their eyes than be on "the wrong side of history". Just like the Tory guy on QT last night [paraphrase] "well Paris is about to go into a big speech here so [direct quote] I don't want to give any secrets away but she and I were just saying we'll all look back in bemusement like we did with gay rights.

They cannot see the difference between gay equality and trans self-ID rights, which is just so weird IMO. I frankly don't give a monkeys if someone is trans. If someone has been through all the process then I accept they are committed to identifying as a member of the opposite sex, and whilst I'd never really believe they are members of the opposite sex I am happy to use the pronouns and so on and then just get on with things and treat them as a person and not care what sex they are or identify as.

But as that study that is doing the rounds at the moment says "It is important to recall that there’s no such thing as a typically female or male brain. There are slight structural differences, which are far more subtle than the difference in genitals" so don't expect me to go on "lady brain" rather than genitals and don't expect me to think Pippa Bunce one week and Philip Bunce another is actually anything other than total bullshit.

This is an American forum so the posts are... different to the Angels (UK) forum. Posters are from all over the world however. What does being a woman feel like? Mtf periods? I came across this forum a few days ago and if I were to post my real feelings about some of the posts I would be banned from MN for life.

I will let you read it for yourself but add as a disclaimer, some of it is hard to read when you realise just how low down on the pecking order they view biological women. I've posted a couple of links to give you a flavour.

I can't look Daisy - don't tell me, we're now "so called women" too.

mirialis On some of the posts I've read a 'so called woman' would be a compliment compared to other descriptors. I won't be reading any more, it's made me feel physically sick.

"Why do so many heteromen go along with the "transwomen are women" agenda? "

Straight men (and also many gay men) are going along with it because TIMs are not shitting in their backyard, so from a Male POV it’s all fine and dandy because it doesn’t actually impact on them. The fact that it impacts on women is really not on their radar because woman is a far-away country of which they (can choose to) know nothing.

Daisy - had a quick scan but have got an early start for work and reckon reading that will keep me awake with high blood pressure.

Third post in - menstrual synchrony amongst women is a myth according to the vast majority of studies but, amazingly, trans widows get in synch with their transwomen husbands:

"just like CIS women, they were able to synchronize with their wife"

FFS.

mirialis Quite. Definitely not bed time reading, not anytime time reading if you don't want to projectile vomit.

Men treat transgender identified males the way they treat men in general.
It is particularly obvious when there is a panel discussion. The women are interrupted and talked over while the men and transgender identified males are not.

Straight dudebros? Well, they're able to indulge their misogyny in a way they never would normally, by classifying the bolshie ones as baddies so that they can threaten them.

TIMs? We all hate it when we've built our sense of self around something in particular, and someone or something threatens to undermine that. Remember that fiftysomething socialite who topped herself a couple of years ago because she was no longer pretty? Same upset.

Ugh, Susan's. That forum is a perfect example of why I'd generally prefer people to keep their fetishes to themselves unless specifically asked to share. The term "pornsick" comes to mind.

AngryAttackKittens Yes, it's quite an eye opener. I thought at my age I'd heard of most things, that forum proved I was nowhere near.

That was an insightful read @Daisy, I'm now going to take my vulnerable emotional delicate fresh feminine sexy submissive self to bed.

indulge their misogyny in a way they never would normally, by classifying the bolshie ones as baddies

Well I don't think it's true of all (who quite genuinely tie themselves in knots trying not to offend anyone and are so woke they're broke intellectually) that is so sadly true of some.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Ricky Gervais post "The Office" but he was ripe for this category and glad he's gone with the whole "fuck what anyone - including women - think I'm just going to put this out there" approach.

It's so depressing, the TIMs are all "I want to be objectified, but like, in a way that makes me feel like a precious little doll" and the TIFs are all "I want to be treated like a person".

Why do so many heteromen go along with "TWAW"? They're mostly liberal and left-wing types who enjoy the chant, and after being constantly taunted by right-wing males calling them "cucks", they've finally found a "woke" way to assert their masculinity.

As "TWAW"-chanting 'allies' they get to call men less than themselves "women", and they get to unleash anger at feminists.

[Must be been so annoying for them before this wave of Transgenderism..Back when they had no excuse to abuse their feminist comrades, back when lesbophobia wasn't so cool] .

• 'Less 'masculine' than themselves', that should say..

I blame Aristotle and the men who still study him as though his misogyny is new and edgy.
Crude as it is "Bros before Hos" is the behavior you are asking about. It permeates the culture from the streets to the courts to the parliament.