Do women like 'cis'?

[CisMyArse]

Bloody gone and tangled myself in a twitter argument.

I don't like the term Cis, not many here do neither. I should have worded it differently, but I can't let it go. Someone has asked me how I can speak for all women and I don't know how to retort

My first introduction to the term 'cis' was about six years ago when transpeople in the US were constantly using the phrase 'DIE CIS SCUM'. I've only ever read it online, never encountered it in real life.

The word is used to 'other', while suggesting that people who are 'cis' are far more privileged than those who are trans.

Other notable trans labels include:
CAMAB - Coercively Assigned Male At Birth
CAFAB - Coercively Assigned Female At Birth

There are no situations where the term 'cis' is useful. Plus my sex was not assigned at birth, the hospital staff saw my vulva and confirmed my sex as female, so even the definition from Stonewall is a load of shite.

@loopsdefruit thank you for staying and discussing. I have only skimmed the thread, but it seems that there is a fundamental disagreement about the definition of the word woman. The dictionary, and historical, definition, of the word, is adult human female (ie biological or natal woman in the language you use). This is the sense in which most posters on this thread use it. You (and your peers/circle) have a definition of woman that is 'feels like a woman'. At this point, you then subdivide women into 'cis women' (ie biological/natal women) and 'trans women' (ie biological/natal men). Have I understood correctly?

washingupwarrior, what is the difference between you and a man?

I don't get why people dislike it, it's not an 'identity' it's a qualifier, like thin, or short, or rich.

I understand how it's possible to be thinner, shorter or richer, but what does it mean to have a more or less female gender?

What Donkey said upthread.

Using cis to refer to yourself is a cringe.

Cis is a way of positioning (generally) white middle class males as more oppressed than a female child bride in India for e.g.

Cis is another way for TIMs to try and shoehorn themselves into the catagory of women just as the use of trans woman is.

Fuck cis.

I hate it. I’m a woman.
What baffles me slightly is that a transgender person (m-f) feels the need to differentiate themselves from ‘cis’ women. Also what’s wrong with trans women and women? Why add on a pointless prefix as though we’ve made a conscious decision and want to tell the world we don’t want to change gender

I'm a woman. When I say "woman" I mean adult female human. Nothing more. I reject gender, I do not "identify" as or with the sex role stereotypes that have been imposed on me.

But you know, even if I did feel I had some kind of "feminine", "masculine" or whatever, gender identity-spirity-soul-thing, who's to tell me I must announce it? Maybe it'd be my own private issue and none of anyone's business.

Women are human beings, not isomers. It seems like every generation of men comes up with a new pejorative to call women who disobey them. Cis is just the latest dehumanizing word men use for female women.

fuck cis. a woman is a woman its not rocket science.
trans women are not women.

I would call someone out if they referred to me, to my face or otherwise, as Cis. Because I'm not. I don't feel that I align with the expected gender role that society expects of me, according to the sex identified at birth. I am straight, married, & have a child. But, I don't "perform femininity" in any way - makeup, feminine grooming, long hair, clothing, share of housework. (DH & I broadly share the chores.) Sometimes I've been mistaken for a teenaged boy, at the supermarket...

I could argue that your POV is less developed and eventually you'll learn more and come to the 'correct' conclusion, which is mine,

You did do exactly this, Loops. "You're all old so it will become normalised when young people move into the workplace". Do you have zero self awareness? Personally I think the next generation to you will reject this inane "gender" bullshit and emotional need to be defined by silly labels. But that's just me.

Using 'just woman' implies that woman is the natural order of things and trans are something other.

Well yes, they're TIMs. so not actually women at all.

I didn't used to mind it. It seemed to me to be a useful shortcut to simply mean someone who was born a woman as opposed to someone who identified with female gender.
However, trans activists have completely changed my mind on it. I've seen it used too many times as an insult or to dismiss women's views not to recognise it as anything other than deeply problematic and often just plain misogynistic.

What baffles me slightly is that a transgender person (m-f) feels the need to differentiate themselves from ‘cis’ women.

Because they want to guilt trip women with how terribly oppressed they are in absolutely everything and how much we are privileged. And make us walk on eggshells and STFU about stuff that doesn't centre their (male) needs.

Personally I think the next generation to you will reject this inane "gender" bullshit and emotional need to be defined by silly labels.

Either we'll be in the Handmaid's Tale and the next generation won't be saying anything at all, or we'll have a narrow escape and the next generation will curse the idiot generation who tried to give it all away.

You know, I am of the first generation of women who were not owned by the institution of marriage. The first generation for whom intersectional services had evolved to address sex-based inequality - women's services, the care economy, a cash transfer system that allowed mothers to become independent economic actors.

The first generation. And the second is so fucking stupid it's intent on giving it all away.

I've said this before, but the thing that really grabbed me on re-reading the Handmaid's Tale was the off-screen character of the narrator's mother. She was that woman who had fought for the rights her daughter took for granted, the woman her daughter dismissed as an old fuddy duddy - and then, bam, shit hits the fan, and it turns out her mother's "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance" doom-mongering was spot on. Didn't even notice this when I first read it as a lib-fem twenty something, my god it hit me square between the eyes as a forty-something "radicalised by motherhood" (as one of my friends puts it).

I hate the word cis. It always seems to be used in a sneery way..like 'oh your cis, you know nothing'.

Besides that, it assumes that I identify with all the stereotypes pushed onto me because of my sex. I do not. infact in todays many many labels I am a-gender (as I dont believe in gender, so I dont have one) but I am still told over and over that i am cis

Technically it is misgendering women since they are the ones who are supposed to be able to decide how they identify. Just another double standard brought you by the misogynist males who decide things.

Doesn't particularly bother me.

No I don't like it. I don't need another label for just being me.

I do not think most women are interested in signaling their submission to male dominance by calling themselves cis, though I could be wrong and perhaps some do.

I am not cis, I am a female adult human, a woman. No prefix required thank you.

And I refuse to be defined as a sub-set of my sex.

And anyway, transactivists just "coercively assign" it to us whenever it suits them, mostly as an "othering" term, even though most of us (if not all humanity) fall under the "trans umbrella". It's not a neutral descriptor at all, it's political and judgemental.