Do women like 'cis'?

[CisMyArse]

Bloody gone and tangled myself in a twitter argument.

I don't like the term Cis, not many here do neither. I should have worded it differently, but I can't let it go. Someone has asked me how I can speak for all women and I don't know how to retort

I find it offensive. Woman means 'adult human female', that is what I am. Plus i don't agree with the definition of it. I don't have a gender and I didn't agree to being 'assigned female at birth'. I wasn't asked, and I bet the millions of female babies aborted or killed each year for being female weren't asked either.

But I'm not cis, Trills, as that word defines a concept that doesn't apply to me.

Trills

Its not a useful word, it has no use whatsoever.

We don't spend our day searching for a way to make sure people know we are not transsexual. We don't have a need to describe our self as not the opposite of what we are. That is a double negative. We simply are not that stupid.

What 2rebecca said. It's a pejorative, coercively applied exonym. Clumsily appropriated from organic chemistry.

I do not want the label cis and do not accept it. There you go.

It seems much more accepted in the younger generations, so as these people get older and go in to the workplace and into positions of influence it will be normalised.

I don't get why people dislike it, it's not an 'identity' it's a qualifier, like thin, or short, or rich. However, me not understanding what the problem is doesn't mean you don't have a valid reason.

I am also not going to force people to use it though, so as long as people don't get weird about me choosing to describe myself as a cis woman, then each to their own.

If there are "cis women" and there are "trans women", what the holy fuck are plain "women"?

You're a cis woman if you're a biological one. Saying you're offended means you're a bigot/TERF/whatevs.
HATE the term, it's women. I'm a woman. Call yourself what the hell you like, but you (general you) don't label me.

If we need a descriptor to indicate 'not trans' then 'real' or 'biological' would do it. I am not 'on the side of' femininity, I am just a women.

'Cis' just entrenches gender as a 'thing' and the really worrying idea that your sex = how you perform, how you behave, what you buy, what you like. It doesn't.

@loopsdefruit, do you understand that some women find it offensive to be told that we are ok with harmful gender constructs that have been (and continue to be) used to oppress women? I don't identify with that. I am a woman, like I'm short, brown eyed etc. it doesn't need an extra descriptor that doesn't apply to me.

Unfortunately, I have cistitis - hearing the word "cis" makes my eyes roll and puts my teeth on edge. No amount of cranberry juice helps.

''I speak for myself and I refuse coercively assigned labels, just as trans people do.''

Love that.

From my POV I've been female from conception ergo a woman.

Why do I suddenly have to be forced to say I'm a cis woman because others have struggled and do not feel happy in their sex?

I didn't feel happy with my looks growing up. Do I make a naturally 'pretty' person say they're cis good looking because I have the self confidence issues which at times were quite dysphoric? The only reason I was never anorexic is because I was always naturally slim no matter how much I ate. In fact often have to eat more. Am I cis slim?

Fucking double speak.

I find it offensive..too like Cissy which is offensive , and its implication that I somehow feel like a woman in a way that is unrelated to my biology implies to me gender stereotyping which I find very offensive

Cis and trans are just adjectives, I'm totally in the minority on here though, but IRL all of my friends and all the other students at my uni (and staff) use cis to identify themselves. It's pretty normal.

All of your friends, fair enough, but unless you're at an incredibly tiny university you can't say that all the students and staff are happy to call themselves 'cis'. I'm a student and consider 'cis' incredibly insulting. I'm probably not at the same university as you, but I could be.

Men aren't put in this position of having to say cis man. It's a nonsense.

What annoys me is it nods at having a 'privilege' due to being natally a woman, which I disagree with as being a woman for many women is still a massive disadvantage due to their sex.

And it makes no sense when you have 'trans'women already. What's the point?

I wouldn’t ever use the term Cis because to me it belongs in my chemistry classes .

I have no need for extra labels cheers, I’m a female.

Yes and what does 'feeling' like a woman mean? I'm not sure I've ever worked that out.

Cis is offensive to me. Highly offensive. I’m a woman.

It's just incorrect.

There are those who go on about scientific notation, they'll say it means 'on the same side as' ie. your gender identity matches your sex.

There are those who talk about it in reference to being 'not-trans' where trans is 'gender identity and sex doesn't match'

In either case, I think that that describes a fairly small set of women anyway, and that by those definitions, most women are trans.

So that's why. Because it's incorrect.

It's erasing women who are gender non-conforming, but still wish to be known as women. (PS. I think I'm following your conversation on twitter:D)

I'm a natal female but don't identify with femininity so could be called both cis and trans so to me it's just stupidity

Some people say it's a word needed merely as a descriptor for the opposite of trans but as a pp said we don't need a word to describe what we are not.

I believe it was a word appropriated largely by male people to assist them in their goal of making appear as though women are oppressors of men. It's all part of the general obfuscation of gender ideology with a large dollop of MRA hate thrown in for good measure.

cis natal or terf

I am a woman.

Please don’t call me anything else.

It's not a label I ever use.

I thought it was something used to avoid people saying something like 'normal' as opposed to trans.
I suppose I don't mind 'cis' if it's not used in a pejorative way, it's snappier than 'non trans'.

It's unnecessary. We already have words to describe adult humans, those words are man and woman. If some people find themselves unable to use these words when identifying themselves then they can use new words to describe themselves if they wish, but that doesn't mean they have the right to redefine the rest of the human race.
loopsdefruit doubt it somehow. My son's at uni and apparently he and his mates think the whole thing is a big joke.