Talk radio Julia Hartley-Brewer & Lily Madigan

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Painful.

Wtf does Lily mean by ‘gender is inert’?

I'm guessing Lily means inate. I don't think Lily really gets language, as seen with the 'mutually exclusive' thing and not realising woman and female are biological terms. If Lily does indeed mean 'inert,' doesn't that make them a transphobe who doesn't believe in gender fluidity?

*innate

Wtf does Lily mean by ‘gender is inert’?

Probably means innate. That doesn't support LM's point either but makes a bit more sense.... LM is seriously not very bright.

Oh and as for the brain thing, wasn't it common for people to say that people of different races have different brains, bringing with it the whole debate around IQ etc (the Bell Curve)? But wait, that has been debunked and is considered grossly offensive. But apparently it's okay to talk about lady-brains and the apparent fact that trans women have them. Such bollocks.

I am not prejudiced towards transpeople. But I don't believe you can change sex.

Apparently Munroe's 'lived experience' as a transwoman of colour is absolutely invaluable and made Munroe highly suitable to take on the advisory role.

Right. I'd say Munroe's "lived experience" of coming from a very wealthy family and a selective education, followed by job offers thanks to elite social closure may very well have contributed to Munroe's clearly stated classist, sexist and racist attitudes, and that those attitudes disqualify Munroe from any position anywhere near an equalities brief, and that if Dawn Butler had a single, solitary firing synapse, Dawn Butler would know that.

twitter.com/Media_Trust/status/971683853235556352

Justine was on a panel with Munroe today - I wish she'd spill...

Oh and as for the brain thing, wasn't it common for people to say that people of different races have different brains, bringing with it the whole debate around IQ etc (the Bell Curve)? But wait, that has been debunked and is considered grossly offensive. But apparently it's okay to talk about lady-brains and the apparent fact that trans women have them. Such bollocks.

I've read in a few places recently that the notion of 'racial' brain is creeping back. It doesn't surprise me given that 'lady' brain has gained so much credence again in recent years.

I seriously think we are in a modern version of the dark ages where science and rationality is abandoned in favour wild suppersition and belief.

Wtf does Lily mean by ‘gender is inert’?

Not that I wish to see into the mind of Lily but maybe confused it with innate ? Or maybe 'gender is innit' ?

gender is innit

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I seriously think we are in a modern version of the dark ages where science and rationality is abandoned in favour wild suppersition and belief.

That sounds about right. The TERF hitlist and purging is the modern day version of a witch-hunt for failing to buy into all this stuff.

Unfortunately I think that for many people it's just easier to go with flow when they don't care about an issue.

I tried to continue listening to the 'Reasons to be Cheerful' podcast after Ed Miliband's gushing interview with Paris Lees ("I'd never really thought about these issues before!") and his ill informed abuse of Janice Turner, but in the end I gave up.

Why would I have faith in the people he brings on the show to talk about universal income if he also unquestioningly invites a GP who is under investigation for giving unapproved drugs to children?

Proof of eligibility to work in the UK doesn't need to be a passport, nor does it need to be an in date passport (assuming UK) if that is what you provide. Nor does it need to be in the correct name so long as you have a change of name deed (or marriage cert etc)

It can also be a birth certificate and supporting documents such as NI proof.

So options for LM

• out of date passport with 'lily' on ("my passport has an F")
• in date passport saying 'liam' and the CoN to 'lily' ("my name is legally lily")
• birth certificate and supporting docs for 'lily' ("I have a GRC, just no new passport")
• birth certificate and supporting docs for 'liam' plus CoN deed to 'lily' ("my name is legally lily" again)

But then LM also claims that they can't change their PayPal, and I know from experience that a potentially awkward change of name took a total of about 24 hours.

fairplayforwomen.com/tag/james-obrien/
James O'Brien is fully behind the transgender cause.

Lily is now claiming that the passport had an 'F' but the name was wrong. In other words asking people to believe that Lily paid to have their passport renewed with the gender changed but not the name.

But then LM also claims that they can't change their PayPal

Yes, what is this bullshit? I just went on Paypal. You can change your name on there if you have proof (which a GRC or a passport would be) or you can, y'know, open a new account in your new name. Plus the amount of begging posts from LM is cringeworthy. How can anyone want someone with a seemingly complete inability to manage personal finances to be in any sort of position of responsibility?

I also note that LM does not take hormones. My guess is that in 5 years time, LM will be living openly as a heterosexual male and does not want to risk messing up his male body by taking hormones. Hypocritically though, he wants young children to be fed them.

Lily is now claiming that the passport had an 'F' but the name was wrong. In other words asking people to believe that Lily paid to have their passport renewed with the gender changed but not the name.

To be fair, LM is that dim that it wouldn't surprise me.

So was LM a female called Liam at that time then, or was there a third name we are unaware of?

Still irrelevant anyway - passport with wrong name plus CoN deed (that LM claims to have) is sufficient.

Also if LMs passport is out of date, it must be from when they were 14 or younger (15 would get a five year passport > 20, 16 would be a ten year one anyway).

So LMs parents would have to have changed their sex on there aged 14, which I strongly suspect didn't happen (given they are horrible transphobes)

Leaving aside issues of gender and sex, having the wherewithal to sort out basic admin is one of the qualities you might look for when nominating somebody for a role like women’s officer.

You are not legally allowed to have a passport in your 'acquired' gender unless you either have a GRC or a letter from a doctor saying that you're likely to live in that acquired gender forever and evidence that you've changed your name by deed poll.

In any event Madigan said they had a passport with an F on it in December and then now they're saying they don't have one.

Madigan is a complete fantastist and, I suspect, has mental health issues.

It is an act of oppression for a member of an oppressor class to self-identify into an oppressed class. This is all that matters

^ Exactly.

& choosing not to see that its white privilege that enables one to be able to do this whilst not experiencing the negative effects of that oppression is selective blindness

TRAs are another subset jumping on the black bandwagon, with no knowledge of or interest in microaggressions experienced by black women at all. Racism is the convenient 'go to', that's all.

Oh no @merrymouse i've been meaning to try the Reasons To Be Cheerful podcast for a while but this has put me off.

Madigan is a fantasist who has trouble separating what could possibly become true in the future, or what Madigan would like to be true, or what Madigan wishes would happen, with actual reality. Madigan's supporters enable him in this and attack or block anyone pointing out the inconsistencies.

See this utterly batshit defending of Madigan's remark about having a passport marked F in December, before Madigan claimed that it was just the name that was wrong.

We find that the vast majority of the public (84%) describe themselves as “not prejudiced at all” towards transgender people. However, less than half of people say that a suitably qualified transgender person should definitely be employed as a police officer or primary school teacher (43% and 41% respectively), suggesting that there is a notable gap between the theory and practice of people’s attitudes

Yes. I wonder why 43% people don't think that's its prejudice? I would agree with the trans lobby that it is actually prejudice. But I think the reason is undoubtedly because most people see transgender people as people with a serious mental health condition. Because they are assuming gender dysphoria.

Ironically David Walliams character of A tall man in a dress with the wig and moustache spouting "I'm a lady" couldn't be more pertinent than today but is now no longer politically correct and so has been banished.
There is no way that sort of sketch could be filmed and broadcast now.
I wonder how long until the actual series with those sketches in are no longer be available?
How long until it becomes like using the n word or deemed a hate crime?