Labour has failed women.

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twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/970753923945582593?s=21

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/self-defining-trans-women-to-be-allowed-on-labours-all-women-parliamentary-shortlists-partys-nec-set-to-announce-equalities-committee_uk_5a9d94f4e4b0479c0255e9c2

Urgh. What kind of man would do that?

Depressing. I don't want to vote Tory but do want to oppose all the self id stuff. Ruth Davidson hasn't got back to my email asking for her take on it all. Why do all the politicians want to support trans women or men identifying as female over real women?

All of you who are now voteless, I wonder what sort of reaction you might get by writing to the local Conservative/other local parties as relevant candidate, with an open CC of the Labour person - explaining exactly why Labour and JC have lost your confidence and loyal of x years vote and it is now going begging to a Party willing to come out against self-id.

Pit them directly against each other for your vote, alert Cons that this is a vote winner/bragging rights, alert Labour they have active defectors, alert any smaller parties they could have a game changing policy...

TERFous
There is no party for us at present. I basically see two viable options for feminists:

OPTION A:
Organise a mass ballot-spoiling exercise. It would have to be consistent in how exactly ballots are spoiled in order to get attention. If done properly, it could have one hell of an effect.

OPTION B:
Stand for election or organise to field other, feminist-friendly candidates on every.single.level. Contest every seat.

Or how about:

OPTION C:
Stand Gender critical candidates (no reason why they couldn't be male) in a few select marginal seats. Stand on a single issue eg #sexnotgender, in defence of Equalities Act single sex exemptions. Non party political.
Choose closely contested seats preferably with pro-self ID candidates, if 3 way marginal even better. Possible constituencies - Derby North, Chris Williamson, Canterbury (snatched from Tories last time), Mansfield (snatched from Labour last time), Stella Creasy's constituency?
This could focus the media on the self-id issue especially as next election could hang on a knife edge again, pro-self ID candidates would have no choice but to defend their views to constituents and put themselves under the spotlight. It would also give at least some GC voters a place to put their protest vote and which could swing the result one way or the other.

Could still organise mass ballot spoiling in other constituencies.

I have just donated to Jennifers GoFundMe again,frustration at boiling point ,Shots, I might just do that,having voted LP for 54 years.

Does anyone have a link to the crowd funder?

ShotsFired that’s a good point. I’m in NI and it’s quite well known, that if you need help you go to the ‘other’ political party, is: nationalists get help from the DUP as they want to seem inclusive to ‘the other side’. The same works the other way around.

Self ID is a Conservative policy. Its supported by all parties.

I won't vote Conservative. I support the NHS and social housing, and the conservatives have wrecked the UK by introducing austerity, Brexit and self ID.
Women bear the brunt of austerity. The number of children being taken into care has gone through the roof.
The conservatives introduced Clause 28, which was a lot worse in its original wording; they wanted to make being gay illegal. Anyone who thinks they support women or gay people is deluded.

Is anyone a constituent of Andrew Bridgen in North West Leicestershire (or in contact with a sympathetic MP as far as I'm aware the EHRC don't start investigations based on tip offs from normies)?

Andrew Bridgen wrote to the Equality and Human Rights Commission to ask whether on not labours criteria for entry to their young labour equalities conference amounted to discrimination and got them to investigate and send a letter asking them to justify it. The contents of their reply is unknown as of yet but I can't wait to see them defend it and would love if the EHRC looked into what they're doing with AWS
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5391313/Labour-rebuked-equalities-commission-AGAIN.html

Silver lining: at least Labour are showing their true colors BEFORE they get a chance to be in power.

The whole trans ideology really is like religious dogma.
Labour seem to be making a stand for it with a force that's entirely lacking on Brexit. Even if the Tories elect JRM or Boris as leader - they will win, at this rate.

I have made a meme that we can put on our status, pin to the top of our Twitter, post and tweet widely, use as a header or page header, to show what we think. Let this one go viral like JeSuisCharlie or #metoo. Let's show the LP what we think!

@UpstartCrow yes the Conservative started it, but they have gone veeeery quiet now and I think they're on the brink of canning it - let's face it, Corbyn has hitched his wagon to the trans cause now so they can't suddenly go trailing after him.

And you don't necessarily have to actually vote for them on polling day - my idea can be used as a very visible shot across the bows with side benefits as mentioned. Tbh though, even at their worst they're still not as bad as what Labour are doing now, if the leaked confirmation re AWS by the NEC is correct.

@XXHelenaXX just tweeted it

Shotsfired- I wrote to my local conservative councillors saying exactly this, after I missed them when they canvassed my street. I explained I was a lifelong Labour voter, no longer able to vote Labour because of its support for self Id. Their response to my opening - silence.

I feel disenfranchised and bloody furious tonight. My poor DH and DS have had to listen to me ranting and have promised to be completely GC at their work and school.

As far as I'm concerned the Tories have wrecked the UK.

This is the most divisive govt I've lived under. They've divided people over 5 separate issues; austerity, their treatment of disabled people, the NHS selloff, Brexit and now self ID.
There is absolutely no way I'm going to even pretend to support them.

The Greens have apparently been taken over by their own version of Bromentum.
WEP seem to care more about being seen as cool wives than they do about supporting women.
UKIP seem to have absorbed the BNP.

Labour had the absolute best chance of winning the next election -until they decided to use the same tactics and policies as the Tories.
Whats needed is a radical change in thinking, not more of the same.

we now have a hashtag

seniorita the crowdfunder is here www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives

Hey all,

The party's Head of Legal will get a letter tomorrow from the crowdfunder's lawyers, demanding a clear outline of policy on self-id... being redrafted and finalised now, in the early hours...

Whoever has written that allegedly leaked statement (Dawn Butler?) is essentially saying the party can get ahead of the law. It is a confused statement from a confused Women and Equaliies Department.

I do not believe there is one person in Dawn's department who has understood the arguments, considered the legal aspects or given the facts any critical thought. A consultation on self-id was DEFINITELY ordered by LOTO office... that I can tell you. But what the hell has happened to it? The Women and Equalities dep't has stopped answering our emails in the last week. Very strange...

Anyway, whoever is deciding this is very much mistaken, the party can't flout the law.

It may not seem it from the outside but I guarantee the tide is turning in our favour... for a number of reasons, political dynamics, union input, not least of all the secret squirrel beardy bro Momentum careerists who have been showing true colours. Bros don't care about trans rights... they just want to use trans ppl as a human shield for sexism and abuse cos we won't do as they say.

Last time there was a statement confirming our position which was swiftly taken down after a TRA backlash.. then the next statement didn't really say much. We may get more of a feel tomorrow morning, these committees usually leak. In reality it doesn't matter if the statement is pro self-id or the NEC approves it. Because the party cannot get ahead of the law. That's what the crowdfunder was always for and the legal team are on the case.

There's a debate happening, in the main thanks to the activism of so many of you on Mumsnet. Victoria Derbyshire programme showed how calm, polite and reasonable yet ASSERTIVE the women arguing the case are. That female socialisation thing has been proper shaken off. So impressed by Pilgrim, Dr Nic, and the others, one of whom I saw on the other thread (Cockapoo?) wow.. so powerful and moving. Took some guts that did.

Helena no! How many times... lol

Someone just donated £500. Wow. Mazin.

This is only part of the story. The reactions in Twitter at least from women members is that this is wonderful and they do not feel as if they will be wiped out nor are being ignored.

Unless one wished to assert they are stupid or suffering from false consciousness women appear to be failing themselves.

@flintyminty, I actually prefer your approach to mine.

As a political pessimist (which, in all fairness, made me the sole person among my friends to predict both Brexit and Trump - so yay for pessimism as a forecasting model!) I'm operating under the assumption that we couldn't possibly manage to get more than maybe the odd candidate elected. So the goal has got to make them listen instead.

Your suggestion actually does this as well as mine whilst allowing for a much more focussed effort.

I like this. Vote gender critical or spoil.

Thanks for the update @JenniferJames

I'm strangely intrigued to see how this pans out...

Suspect I will be banned by Twitter later today given my response there to this.

Who the hell do I vote for in future?

I won't vote Tory as I don't agree with their policies. Labour was my natural home but that's now gone as I won't vote for a party who does this.

I will vote for whoever stands up against this madness. I am now a single issue voter.