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What on earth is going to happen to women?

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Tinseltower · 04/03/2018 17:06

I’m actually really worried. In the past couple of weeks I’ve seen Theresa May’s speech on how being transgender is not an illness, on how they will be given equal rights including access to vinerable women’s spaces. I’ve seen labour following suit, criticising Margaret Thatchers speech about homosexuality and likening it to the transgender movement, saying they won’t get it wrong. It’s not the same at all! What is going to happen to women in all this? It seems their rights will be pushed to one side and I’m actually rather worried. Can enough of us stand up to be heard?

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UpstartCrow · 04/03/2018 17:17

I think we're going to lose and have to deal with the consequences.
Maybe then we can regroup and claw some ground back for ourselves.

But I'm very concerned that the long game is to cause society to lose all support for LBG and swing to the far right in a backlash.

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 17:47

If we lose we lose, I don't think we will. It will be a long fight and I believe we will win.

It will cause LGBT damage, they should look to their community leaders. It will ruin the left politically, again it is a fault with leadership. Society will pay the price for this, blame those who knew, kept quiet and did nothing.

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Tinseltower · 04/03/2018 18:05

If the proposed gender reform act goes ahead I don’t think they’ll be any turning back. I think they’ll just deal with the offenders as and when they come. I think once women’s spaces are eroded then that’s it, they’re gone.

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thebewilderness · 04/03/2018 18:17

The LGB community is only beginning to push back. They lost control of their organizations to AGP males and most universities have adopted the new rules about the transgender class of men being entitled to use whatever space they choose.
Right now it is a race to raise consciousness before these transgender advocacy organizations can harm any more children.

loveyouradvice · 04/03/2018 18:20

I am confident we can win.... no sane person will support the Gender reform act... we just need to enable as many people to peak trans as possible, especially MPs.... and enable it to be seen that "no debate" is inappropriate where women and children's rights are concerned.... especially children's as this is an easier for people to absorb...though women's sport comes a close second!

LangCleg · 04/03/2018 18:22

I think we're going to lose and have to deal with the consequences.

If we lose we lose, I don't think we will. It will be a long fight and I believe we will win.

I think we'll lose in the short term, then there will be a fearful right wing backlash at the top-down imposition of vast societal change, then everything will be dreadful for a while...

... but then I think we will win and rebuild.

(That's quite depressing.)

Greensmurfterf · 04/03/2018 18:22

I think we'll lose but I also think it will impact the economy as less women will go to shops, nightclubs etc and that's when the fight back will start as money talks louder than anything.

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 18:31

I think we'll lose but I also think it will impact the economy as less women will go to shops, nightclubs etc and that's when the fight back will start as money talks louder than anything.

It won't just be people refusing to go to shops, nightclubs etc (less tax) people will take their children out of state education (requiring a parent to stop work and paying tax) stop using the NHS and social care, then get very ill (overall costing more NHS funds and no tax income as a family member quits work to care).

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 18:34

The men may think that will be Utopia, with Brexit and job less to robots on the horizon. They will miss women and regret allowing this.

Greensmurfterf · 04/03/2018 18:34

You put it much better than me TERFclick. Thanks.

Riverside2 · 04/03/2018 18:38

OP "I’ve seen Theresa May’s speech on how being transgender is not an illness"

you say you saw it this week - but is it from this week or is it the one she gave a few weeks ago?

because after the response to that, I wondered if she might see it differently....there was one given at a charity dinner and it sounded like someone who had no idea of the issues had just handed it to her to read....

unfortunately if women's spaces go, I don't think there will be an economic response. It will just go backwards and become a case of hand wringing and fake "how can we stop these attacks" and then maybe in 50 years someone will suggest separate facilities....

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/03/2018 18:39

Sadly I suspect we already have lost. That no matter how much women and the LGB community do now it will be too late. There will be changes to a number of laws and they won't be repealed, we will live with the consequences forever. So many institutions are already acting as though there are specific laws, the squeaky wheel has won!

We have been sleepwalking... looking in the wrong direction... what? I mean where the hell did this actually come from?

Shite as it is for me, at 52, how the hell will today's young women deal with it when they come face to face with some of the less salubrious realities, aka the shit we TERFs have been shouting about?

Riverside2 · 04/03/2018 18:40

TERFClick "They will miss women and regret allowing this."

in what way do you think men will miss women? I certainly don't think they'll miss women in bars, gyms, etc etc

I also don't think anyone will pull their kids out of school and if they do it will be girls because they'll decide that walking wombs don't need an education.

Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 18:42

What is the speech? Has anyone a link to it?

Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 18:44

I think the battle is ongoing, saying we have lost is about as useful as saying transwomen are women.

Truscum · 04/03/2018 18:44

I think women may appear to lose for at least a little while longer.

I think as soon as women start hitting where it hurts (the economy) things will start to turn around.

Women feeling unsafe with no private spaces out in public = Lost revenue when women stop attending shopping centres, swimming pools, women only gyms etc.

Also, sadly, I think that it is going to mean society swings much harder to the right. As soon as the politically savvy on the right realise that the vast majority of voters will despise and mock the woolly thinking of 'that six footer with a beard is a woman just because he says so' then the left will be trounced at the next election.

That doesn't make me happy (I'm a centrist - previous labour supporter) but I am looking forward to it nevertheless as it needs to happen.

InHibernationTilISummer · 04/03/2018 18:45

But I'm very concerned that the long game is to cause society to lose all support for LBG and swing to the far right in a backlash.

And the trans-identified males who are leading this are disproportionately white, privileged, heterosexual men who haven't had any surgery so whenever this does come crashing down, they will just switch from being "the most-oppressed-ever queer trans lesbians" leading the LGBT alphabet soup movement to being what they always were - privileged straight men - and avoid any of the backlash for what they created.

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 18:49

Men enjoy family time, it will go back to the 1950s. If you ever watched the BBC back in time programme, the father missed cooking and family time. His wife was unhappy not working and it made everyone unhappy. Will they want a dementia MIL living with them? Will they want to have to take their Aunt shopping because she can't go otherwise?

Niskasrevenge · 04/03/2018 18:49

Other LGB people get it too. For every offensive and thought-terminating pro-trans article published in Pink News, there are clear, articulate, opposing voices in the comments. The latest one I read was this horror re: Paris Lees's recent interview...

Paris Lees article

ButteredScone · 04/03/2018 18:50

I don’t think we have lost yet. I do think the community most at risk is the LGB community as they become subsumed by the gender bullshit.

However, I have way more faith in the Conservative party than the Labour Party. The Tories are not beholden to endless virtue signalling identity-politics from their membership. Tory members aren’t really into ‘comrades’ and endlessly aligning themselves with this week’s issues.

For that reason, I think that they will listen harder to women and not make snap stupid judgements like Lily Maynard/Munroe Bergdorf. Tories just aren’t into being cool at Glastonbury. They are also not steeped in trad men’s culture so are much less sexist.

InHibernationTilISummer · 04/03/2018 18:53

Yes, my only hope lies with the Tories and that's not something I could ever have imagined myself thinking even 12 months ago!!!

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 18:54

Single men will struggle to get anyone to come to the house and clean, care for their family members living elsewhere, they will struggle to find partners.

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 18:59

I guess men will get worse with porn and sex workers, they won't be able to access women at work and in public as they currently can.

Grim future for women.Sad

I do think we will win, we need to keep growing and going.

Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 19:05

Has Theresa May really given this speech? Where?

thebewilderness · 04/03/2018 19:07

One of the things that will happen to women is that we will get lots more advice from men than we already do on how to keep ourselves safe by giving the terrorists whatever they want.