Why are more women not worried about impact of transactivism?

[Scrambledogg]

It is largely thanks to MN that I have been made aware of the gender identification bill and the potential impact of it.

I have been reading more and trying to be better informed.

In some of articles I have read I have noticed the category of 'woman' divided into women and ciswomen. I find it very unsettling that I would be defined as the latter, as opposed to just as a woman.

When I raise this issue with my friends, they are largely unconcerned.

Why are not more women worried right now?

Sanderz Who has claimed there's an increased crime rate with AGP?

I do not consent to share safe spaces with men, especially not men that are acting out a fetish.

TIMS retain male patterns of criminality;
'' Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.''
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

and a higher proportion of their crimes are sex offences
www.researchgate.net/publication/233070618_Where_the_Margins_Meet_A_Demographic_Assessment_of_Transgender_Inmates_in_Men%27s_Prisons

Many women want and expect women only spaces. Why isnt that enough for enough for us to be able to keep them?

what is Transgender ideology?

Transgender ideology wants to erase the meaning of the word "woman" as - adult human female, and replace it with - anyone who identifies as a woman. Which renders the word meaningless, subjective and baseless.

Transgender ideology wants to impose on homosexuals that their sexuality is not in fact based on same sex attraction but that they should be attracted to people who say they are the same sex as them when they aren't.

Transgender ideology scrutinises children who play with toys or wear clothes usually associated with the opposite sex, labelling them as "trans" and convincing them they need to change their names / pronouns / bodies. Just let kids be kids!

Transgender ideology recruits vulnerable young adults offering them an alter ego which will be better, more celebrated, thanks their true self. Promising changing sex will solve all their problems. It doesn't work.

Transgender ideology results in women having to compete against men in sports, women sharing intimate spaces within men, women sharing their pronouns with men, being told being a woman is nothing to do with their biology but is in fact because their ladybrains make them prefer pink and be crap at science. If a man prefers pink too, he is a woman just like you.

It's no wonder women don't like this much.

Autogynephilia is not a crime!

Grayson Perry is a self confessed autogynephile.

It's about the unwitting participation of everyone else. Usually women.

It's sexually arousing to be treated 'as a woman', personal pronouns, girly stuff, etc.

So a man with AGP might be talking to you about tights, for instance.

You are weighing up the pros and cons of shades from cafe latte to mocha and your preferred denier, and he is getting an erection.

Here is a thread from women who are married to AGP transwomen. At the coalface, as it were.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Sanderz Who has claimed there's an increased crime rate with AGP?

Oh sorry, I'd misunderstood. I thought the thing was people didn't mind sharing with old school transexuals but not the new sort because loads of them were AGP so not "safe" if that makes sense.

It's about the unwitting participation of everyone else.

That makes sense, thanks.

Angelic89

What Little Lebowski said.

Trans rights activists are aggressive in shutting down any dissent. Trying to push into law the erosion of women's rights and safe spaces. Trying to stick to the LGB movement as if it was the same when it isn't.

Posters on these boards have some slightly different views: I don't mind the transsexuals who have been using female toilets for ages, before this issue became an aggressive ideology.

I DO have an issue with trans activists using the Goebbels method of telling a lie often enough hoping it becomes true (such as 'transwomen are women/some women have penises/etc')
I DO have an issue with homophobic organisations like Mermaids advocating giving young kids puberty blocking drugs and hormones before they can actually decide whether they are gay/ lesbian/bi.
I DO have an issue with men identifying as women in female sport.

The solution would be to create a third space/ trans category.
I don't see why women should have to shut up and yet again be agreeable and accommodating. Try telling Muslim and Jewish orthodox women to stop being fussy and shut up about having penises in their safe spaces.

The bottom line for me is that some people are identifying confused, vulnerable, non conformist, socially awkward and isolated people and telling them they can make it better. They isolate them further from the people who care about them by saying they don't understand them and welcoming them into a supportive 'family' where they feel they have a place, where they feel cared for and where they feel they have an 'identity' by people who, ultimately, care about nothing other than achieving their own aims and furthering their own agenda. And then woe betide any of those who begin to doubt or to question or try to leave...

It's the same model of behaviour you see in CSE; are taught to look out for under the Prevent agenda and sees people join cults and gangs. It's no different.

The concern is not about transsexuals or people with gender dysphoria but it is about people who will seize an opportunity to exploit vulnerable people.

Anyone who wonders about AGP needs to look at twitter #girlslikeus for an eye opening and eye watering look at what these self identified 'women' think of us.

There was a song 'Girls like us' that was popular in lesbian nightclubs back in the day. How times have changed

I feel sad for some of these men with their fetish. That's female socialisation for you though.

Sanders Apologies I can't verify these statistics (which seem improbably high), but I was looking for a list I had seen on twitter with examples of trans women sex offences (committed most likely by persons with AGP). And this article /the source article contain a list of over 250 media published incidents which is hard to ignore. I am not suggesting that individuals with AGP pose an increased risk to women.
I believe the offending rated of transwomen is on par with those of natal men.So I am not saying that they offend more. But I believe a higher proportion of their crimes are sex offences.
genderidentitywatch.com/transwomen-sexualized-violence/

outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/

And that is an article from 2013. I will have to try find the more recent examples from that twitter collation.

Lots of interesting replies. I still find it baffling though that I can only find this subject discussed so critically online. Lots of my feminist friends IRL seem to back away from the issue. Reading through all of these replies has galvanised me to speak out more vigorously.

It's the same model of behaviour you see in CSE; are taught to look out for under the Prevent agenda and sees people join cults and gangs.

Yes, yes, a million times yes.

The trans agenda is chucking the entire body of safeguarding and child protection knowledge built up over seventy years straight under the proverbial bus.

It's a cult and it's dangerous and it's hijacked our institutions.

It's not really relevant that it's about gender. It could be about anything. Its behaviour is the danger. You cannot ride roughshod over all these decades of knowledge and practice and not come out the other end with a scandal of epic proportions.

It's horrendous, waiting for the inevitable to happen.

I am not suggesting that individuals with AGP pose an increased risk to women.

I am. They do. AGP/cross dressing is the most common paraphilia among sex offenders. Half the trans-identifying men currently in prison are sex offenders.

They are an increased risk to women.

I am worried about the impact of transactivism. Partly because gender reassignment appears to increase the risk of health problems & premature mortality. And because no-one is allowed to discuss it openly, it's incredibly difficult to fund further research into it.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

What's the source for that, langcleg?

I very much doubt that salmon amd some others are going to return now. That tends to be what happens on these threads when they realise their arguments are flawed.

But I hope they do.

I also suspect that people who don't question the agenda either a) don't fully understnad what is being proposed and/or b) don't have any involvement with children/young people/vulnerable people or any specific safeguarding responsibilities and are just unaware of the lengths to which some people will go.

Oh amd there was someone upthread who doubted a man would 'CHANGE THEIR GENDER' to abuse people.

The bottom line is, this new sepf id willeam no man has to do anythong other than say the words "I am a woman" or "I identify as a woman" or "I am gender fluid".

They won't even have to have a shave of they don't want to...

VaguelyAware

Really good link/ article, thanks for posting.

This is the problem: no one seems able to talk about this properly because there is a palpable fear in the air. The fear of being called anything phobic and the pitchfork mentality. No wonder politicians are silent.

Wow lady, looks like AGP is an unbelievably common fetish! It's almost no wonder so many transwomen have it, those figures are huge. I wonder what percentage of just normal, everyday men have it too? My ex-husband used to dress as a woman for sexual kicks from time to time - not my cup of tea - although he definitely wasn't trans. Perhaps he wasn't as unusual as I always thought, given those numbers

vaginafetishist that's an incredible hashtag.
they all seem to be computer techies.

here's a friendly tweet on 'cis' people:
twitter.com/CindyLynR/status/968928411132485632

MrsOvarall

jaapl.org/content/jaapl/16/2/153.full.pdf

hence all trans people are peados.

No one has said this

No one has said all trans are peados or all men are rapists or all trans people are sex offernders or all Anybody is anything

I don't understand why people need to lie

langcleg
Thanks.

I think you might be confusing transsexuals with today's version of many trans-women.
Transsexuals are who we have been sharing our toilets with for years. No problem.
Men with gender dysphoria (who you say are born in the wrong body), are not the problem here.
This ^^
Regardless of my own feelings about gender, I have zero issues with transsexuals who go through medical assessment, transition and then just want to live their life.

The new radical TRA bunch aren't like perfectly reasonable transsexuals. They are men who wake up and decide that saying I'm a woman should be all that is required to legally change their sex on their birth certificate! These are biological men who claim to be women whilst keeping their 'lady dick' and who think that lesbians should have sex with their lady dick otherwise they are transphobe bigots.

My issue is with a bunch of cross dressing misogynists mansplaining to me what it is to be a woman.
My issue is with biological men (like LM) claiming blavk is white and white is black and that they (via a womb transplant) will be able to be pregnant just like a biological womab.
My issue is with their daft little fan clubs who dox and attack anyonr who points out female biology is more than having a pouch to cook a baby as it's a whole biological system which you don't have when you have male biology abd male chromosomes.
I can't stand the lovey dovry ego stroking about how beautiful the world will be with lots of Lily's . I'm entirely prepared for LM to donate their SPERM, have a woman be a surrogate and then hear all about LM droning on about how they understand motherhood more than 'cis' women.

Normal transsexuals who've been fine for years - no issue
Silly ego driven make me special TRA - massive issue.