Munroe Bergdorf for Grazia "Women Are Getting Feminism Wrong.

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graziadaily.co.uk/life/opinion/munroe-bergdorf-women-getting-feminism-wrong/

Bergdorf is just thick, his only ability is to regurgitate word salad.

See also Lees. Paris.

It will pass over soon. It's all incoherent garbage. No one understands most of it, especially them.

Yes, nobody understands what they are rattling on about, even those who have the codebook.

They clearly don't know what's what either, as LM often shows us.

These people have been sold a lie and let down by mental health services, as well as society. The experiment has caused an almighty problem for society, it can't carry on.

If munroe has been born and socialised as a woman or had any knowledge of women’s history they’d implicitly get the vagina hats and why not mentioning vaginas is oppressive.

The biological oppression of women is centred on the vagina:

1. It’s barely named or mentioned - girls are still taught twee names for it, with no mention of the clitoris. My friends were aghast that I told my DDs the proper words.
2. The images most men (and women) will be exposed to will be pornographied views of the vagina/vulva which bear little resemblance to actual female genitalia
3. Some cultures still multilate female genitalia. Ditto being told we are dirty when we menstruate or not having access to sanitary ware
4. Women are left incontinent through poor vaginal birth experiences either due to poverty so there isn’t access to birth management but even in the West with women left to labour for a long time or the use of instruments in deliveries (it’s not a given the forceps should definitely be used in labours)

And so on and so forth.

Oh gwyn for some reason your post has given me a funny idea. I've been putting off writing to Jeremy Corbyn with my membership cancellation, knowing full well he (or his minions) will dismiss my letter. I think the appointment of Bergdorf gives me a good reason to write to him about my vagina. There's rather a lot I would like to say about it, ranging from awful to great and everything in between.

I bloody love Andrew Neill. Cutting through the BS. I felt almost sorry for Barry Gardiner trying to justify Dawn Butler's idiocy.

Gwynfluff I was chatting to a friend today about "vagina issues" as I have an issue with a mild degree of bladder prolapse, apparently another two friends have much more serious problems than me but the mesh repairs aren't available on the NHS in our area, one of my friends could afford it done privately, the other has no chance, she's written to her MP about it. Can you imagine a bloke in his forties being told to put up with incontinence issues when a relatively inexpensive op could fix it! Not to mention the money TRAs would like spent on their "adjustments".

HA! Just watched the Daily Politics on iplayer, thanks for the headsup - what a car crash for both Therese Coffey about Toby Young and Barry Gardiner, who looked so relieved when Andrew Neil stopped haranguing him and turned to her!
It was like an episode of In the Thick of It - one hires a boob-obsessed twat to advise on education, the other one hires someone who says "suffragettes were white supremacists" to advise on women and equality.

It was fitting to put the two, Toby and Monroe in the same discussion.

Yet again, everything has to be ALL ABOUT THEM. Not just a bit about a very small minority of people who consider themselves to be women, but all about them:
"for the day to be truly progressive, it should focus on elevating the voices and experiences of those who are most often silenced and ignored in society"

I don’t think you could make The Thick of It these days. What used to be satire is now reality.

Transplaining.FFS

@wigglybeezer - I was thinking today about Jack Monroe's vagina feminism comment and about how much of our lives are dominated by our reproductive systems.

Issues with periods, birth control, infertility, childbirth, fistulas, prolapses, menopause are a theme that runs through women's lives. And men have simply no idea. I didn't have any idea about a lot of them until I tried to conceive.

I would say about half the women I know well either would have lost their child or died in childbirth without medical intervention. I know a similar number whose bodies are irreparably damaged by it. And I had no idea before I was one of them.

And even those women who choose not to become mothers are impacted by this stuff.

We are not simply about our vaginas but they impact on pretty much every area of our lives.

Jack Monroe does my nut in in the way that a teenage daughter does your nut in. She's clearly quite vulnerable, says she is unwell, then releases a diatribe on twitter re Monroe. And she is surprised and hurt that she gets responses. Or 'a dogpile' as she put it. It really wasn't either, it was many feminists saying FFS Jack, get a grip.

I seriously want to shake her.

Then make her some soup and send her to bed with a hot water bottle.

I wish Daily Politics had mentioned MB’s comments trying to get women to shut up about their reproductive systems.

To me, that is clearly more offensive than what they said about race!

Haven't read the thread yet, so may have already been mentioned but MB is on The Wright Stuff tomorrow.

I wish Daily Politics had mentioned MB’s comments trying to get women to shut up about their reproductive systems.

Yes, it’s funny how his misogyny is being overlooked in all this. It’s almost like it’s acceptable to be offensive to women, and to erase us.

Jack Monroe also gets a dogpile when she talks about benefits though.

And she objected to being used as a poster girl when Bath Conservatives insisted that you can feed a family on £10 a week.

Im right behind her on this one.

I though this wass a very good and humorous from Current [[http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism/]]
I haven't seen today's Daily Politics, I'll have to look out for it.

Sorry lik fail, try again link

@wigglybeezer vaginal mesh implants have terrible consequences for a lot of women. Look up slingthemesh campaign. Apologies if there's now a better version but as I understand it the campaign is ongoing.

I wonder if they will advise saving money by eliminating OB/Gyn services from the NIH since the real women do not need them and it is an unfair advantage to have this specialized care for the female vagina women.

Re: the pink pussy hats - women know that labia come in many different shapes and sizes and colours. The pink hats don't look like anyone's labia. They are pink-for-a-girl and emblematic of women's genitalia, not a model of the ideal pussy. And therefore, getting upset about them is bollocks, appropriately enough.

Honestly. Women come up with a brilliant unifying device that unites 'womanly' crafts with reclaiming something 'grabbed' by Captain Orange and men want to tell them it's not right and they need to change it. Infuriating.

MrsDoyle that article is glorious! First proper laugh I've had in ages - at least since we found ourselves living the 1984 dream.