I don’t like the term “peak trans”

[Amoregentlemanlikemanner]

I mean I get it. But I think your term should be peak TRA.

“Peak- “ is, as I understand it, a reference to the term “ peak oil” with all the connotations of the amount of oil reducing down to nothing.

Which is not, I hope, the way anyone feels about trans people.

Just my take on things

I don’t know what an age think is.

It was a thousand a couple of posts ago.

Now it's a million.

Wow. Some audience.

The very fact that MRAs like Lily don't like the term "peak trans" (and purposefully misunderstand it like this) makes me realise it's got some power behind it. Good.

It does not surprise me that transgender advocates claim that peak oil is not the point where extraction exceeds capacity but rather it is akin to women trying to diminish MRAs like Madigan to nothing. That is just who they are.

I think the way to think of it is, why score own goals by using terms like this. I think it would be good to take more care.

I agree with your point OP. Mumsnet is externally seen as anti-trans, which I think is partly down to the language used. The general tone of the board (to me at least as a heavy lurker) seems broadly liberal and accepting of people with gender dysphoria or who are gender fluid. BUT sick to death of TRAs and the erosion of women's hard-won safety, opportunities and freedoms.

If a casual reader didn't know the term "peak trans" already, they could reasonably expect it to mean that the user has had enough of trans people and believes there should be less "trans". Which isn't it at all.

Yes yes. We know. Feminists would do much better if we were just a bit nicer. It's the way we say things that makes people angry, nothing to do with the fact they'd rather not discuss contentious issues disadvantaging women.

Educated people with some exposure to the environmental movement know the term peak oil and interpret it as I do. I’m estimating a million. I don’t know if that is too high/low, it’s an estimate.

These people include potential allies.

When they hear the term, they find it negative.

You lose allies.

Worth thinking about perhaps.

I think the way to think of it is, why score own goals by using terms like this. I think it would be good to take more care.

That's nice dear.

"I think the way to think of it is, why score own goals by using terms like this. I think it would be good to take more care."

So what do you intend to do, if we don't listen to you and if we don't do exactly as you say?

Adalind and Lottie express the accepted meaning on MN very well. If there is a wider more negative meaning that we are not aware of, as OP says, then that is worth thinking about.

It definitely doesn't mean wanting trans people to diminish to nothing, and shouldn't be interpreted that way. Communication is a two way thing, what is said and what is heard.

Of course transactivists don't like it. It isn't for or about them.

It's probably 'peak trans ideology', peak trans for short.

That's exactly what it is.

Thank you Easter. It’s hard to be thick-skinned round here sometimes but I’m trying because this stuff matters.

Being exhorted to be nicer when talking about the trans identified males who are trying to strip women and children of their rights is BS.

Yes, everyone, you should definitely stop using simple and effective terms that most people find useful because one random person pops up and tells you to.

You don't have to be nice. They aren't, as you say.

Educated people.

Snort.

This gets better and better.

I don’t understand the “that’s nice dear”. I can’t even guess!

It's such a hard phrase to parse!

“So what do you intend to do, if we don't listen to you and if we don't do exactly as you say?”

Go to bed feeling slightly unsettled I guess? Again, I’m not getting it.

Don't say peak beard either, it makes hipsters sad, and if you do that they won't buy your overpriced coffee any more.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner
I could be wrong but I think it is responding to being patronized by patronizing.

Evesham, I am guessing that you’re saying I’m too old to understand or something. But I don’t know.