I don’t like the term “peak trans”

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I mean I get it. But I think your term should be peak TRA.

“Peak- “ is, as I understand it, a reference to the term “ peak oil” with all the connotations of the amount of oil reducing down to nothing.

Which is not, I hope, the way anyone feels about trans people.

Just my take on things

"I haven't read this, and I'm so bored by it, because I'm far too important to care about this stuff, but I still felt the need to let you know what I think. Because I don't care. That's what people do when they don't care, right?"

I took it to mean I don't understand what you're talking about so have decided to disagree with it because reasons.

If you need lots of new words to discuss things, then you aren’t discussing the really world.

Fantastic. This means cis is definitely out of the window, unless speaking about chemistry

If you need lots of new words to discuss things, then you aren’t discussing the really world.

Fantastic. This means cis is definitely out of the window, unless speaking about chemistry.

Can we add genderqueer, agender, non-binary, to that list?

Bold fail

And chestfeeding, that can go to. And the new made-up non-definition of woman.

I'll be glad to see the back of Ladycock.

Yes all those things that aren't part of the really world!

"Female penis" and "neovagina". The former doesn't exist, the latter is not a vagina.

Wait!

There are some words that are only recently made up that I like. Mansplaining and manspreading to name just 2. Do we need to ask the Oxford English Dictionary to remove all the words that have been added over the last few years because discussions that use ‘made up words’ are not about anything substantial?

That is a good point. Perhaps it should be "words that don't pertain to reality" rather than "made-up words".

So "mansplaining" would be fine, as it's a man "explaining". Both realities.
But "chestfeeding" would not be, as it requires breasts.
"Ladypenis" would be out under that rule too.

"Phalloplasty" sounds off to me. Rhinoplasty is plastic surgery on your nose, but with phalloplasty for trans men there is no penis that they're changing the look of, and what they end up with isn't a penis either.

Male lesbian.

Blue brain
Pink brain
Two words so might not count "living as".

I would be quite happy to never hear the word panties ever again.

"Panties" is awful, there's no way to say it without sounding like a pervy creep. "Living as" just makes me think of people at a furry convention trying to convince themselves that they really are dogs or whatever.

Me too.

I'm often surprised that people don't really question the "Living as a woman" line. I could be a little more patient if I was being told this meant bearing the emotional load, doing all the shitwork, running a house, doing childcare and being nurturing and supportive to everyone.

But really, living as a woman simply means wearing womens clothes. I don't think people are aware of how common this fetish about panties actually is hewearspanties.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2 And i dont think they are aware that it escalates.

There are hundreds of similar sites and a common discussion is about going to their female gp wearing panties. This is quite deliberate and is done to shock the female gp. They also enjoy being "caught" by other unsuspecting people. Takeout delivery drivers, neighbours, and often their own small children.

Many of these men will take their fetish further, out into the public. In other words, trans.

Yes I am aware of different types of social worker. I am also aware that none of them are trained to diagnose (unless having had other specialist training). So the idea that a social worker is online ‘exposing’ mental health problems is not only unprofessional and unpleasant but ridiculous. It’s like the many threads where people say that numerous unqualified people tell them that their children have autism, when in fact diagnosis takes a very specialist assessment (although at least I’ve never heard them use the word exposed in this context).

And again narcissistic personality disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis that is rare and means someone needs help and support - not judgement. The way ‘narc’ etc is used on mumsnet and elsewhere online is very unhelpful and regressive.

There is an over representation of asd traits in people who come to gender identity development clinics. But this does not get thrown around in an insulting way in the way the npd seems to. Was the social worker ‘exposing’ asd? If so again how not only unprofessional but unpleasant. I suspect it gets talked less about because what might have to follow is a response that is more empathic.

Thegoalls- thank you yes that is an interesting study.

Probably has something to do with the fact that ASD doesn't mean the person is almost guaranteed to make the lives of those around them unpleasant, whereas NPD does. If you want to offer sympathy and assistance to people with NPD then that's up to you, but many other people will choose a "get the hell away from this person before they make my life any more miserable than they already have" approach, and they have every right to do that. Read the Trans Widows thread to get a sense of what life is like for the people who do find themselves in a relationship with someone with AGP who's displaying NPD traits.

The other reason people keep pointing the correlation out is that having NPD means that a person's interpretation of what's going on is often neither realistic nor reliable. When trans activists scream that women are literally killing them, trying to make them kill themselves, etc when we refer to them by their birth sex, for example, they are incorrect, and the fact that they're saying those things may well be the result of NPD. There was someone who popped up in this very thread and demonstrated that pattern quite nicely. Knowing that the correlation exists helps other people make sense of what would otherwise be baffling behavior.

The thing that shouts to me above all this noise is that we need to start looking at this as a mental health problem.
No other similar condition would be treated in such a way.
Someone with anorexia wouldn’t be told that yes they really are fat and make everyone else pretend they are fat.

I’m going to claim I have galeanthropy.
medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/galeanthropy

Simon. In child and adolescent gid clinics in the uk- the teams are made up of specialist mental health professionals- psychiatrists, clinical psychologists, child and adolescent psychotherapists. Mental heath is absolutely not ignored. They work to reduce distress and help these young people feel that they can live their lives. Anorexia kills people. Transitioning may be the best option for some young people to feel they can live.

Actually even with acutely psychotic people, it is often not therapeutically helpful to tell them they are deluded.

Oh, do stop trying to deflect, FarFrom. You know the thrust of the points being made. To whit: the behaviour associated with transactivism has many characteristics also associated with domestic abusers and sex offenders:

inability to perceive of others as full human beings
inability to respect the consent of others
inability to respect the boundaries of others
inability to perceive the gap between self regard and material reality
attempts to control environment
frequent use of DARVO

All of these are risk factor red flags. You know this. I know this. Everyone reading here knows this. Transactivists do not want the general public to see these correlations and make the link because that would be very bad for them. It's not that there are a few bad apples within transactivism: it's that transactivism attracts the type of people who pose risk to others.

Lang. Calling deflection happens often in these threads when anyone has a different perspective. As does rudeness and hostility- although of course not from everyone.
It sounds like you are trying to say that these are just nasty and bad people. Well say that if you must- I don’t see people in this simplistic way and don’t talk about red flags in the way that some people do here. I do see that for example true npd includes an extremely fragile and vulnerable sense of self. I don’t think mental health diagnoses should be used as insults.

Transitioning may be the best option for some young people to feel they can live.
I don't think there's been much long term research into the effectiveness of transition vs other types of treatment e.g. talking therapies or mental health support.
In fact the only study I do know showed transition did not decrease risk of suicide.

Not an expert though so if you can share medical research into efficacy showing where I'm wrong I would be very grateful
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