I don’t like the term “peak trans”

[Amoregentlemanlikemanner]

I mean I get it. But I think your term should be peak TRA.

“Peak- “ is, as I understand it, a reference to the term “ peak oil” with all the connotations of the amount of oil reducing down to nothing.

Which is not, I hope, the way anyone feels about trans people.

Just my take on things

"Ooh why are you trying to punish us?". As if women haven't pretty much had it up to here with melodramatic emotional blackmail from self-prioritising males. Cheap tactics get the response they deserve...

If you need validation from strangers on the internet it is not us who have the biggest issue.

I also absolutely agree with the pp who said that the amount of time between transition and death does not change the fact that someone is a male-bodied person who lives as a woman. Nor does all the surgery possible do the impossible and literally make male into female or vice versa. Because biology doesn’t work that way.

Littlebird, I can’t tell if you are intersex or a male to female transsexual. If the former, you should be angry with the trans activists and MRAs who are using your story to distort truth. If the latter then stop using intersex narratives to browbeat women into agreeing with nonsense like ‘I’ve lived as a woman for more years than as a man so calling me male is mean and nasty you horrid witches.’

Melodramatic blackmail is frustrating enough when it’s your child making threats because you won’t buy them something, allow them to go somewhere, watch something on tv or run interference between them and their teachers. I consider it totally reasonable to ignore internet randoms who seem to think I care.

I’ve sometimes used ‘peak gender’. It’s more accurate. It isn’t that I’ve had enough of transpeople, I have a lot of time for GNC folk of all stripes. I’ve had enough of gender.

The endless melodrama and attempts at emotional blackmail actually have the opposite effect to the one intended for me. Once you've dealt with a few people who act like that you recognize the pattern immediately and the response becomes less sympathetic. Boy who cried wolf, the personality disorder version.

“Dont you see any misogyny in the trans movement then?”

Hi, yes I do. And because that stuff matters, I share here my different view about what language works. It’s because I saw how “climate change denier” played into the hands of our opponents in the environmental movement. It was counterproductive.

Let’s face it, I don’t know any of you. Some of you might even be TRAs. The person who uses “dear” is talking like a man, that much is for sure. It doesn’t matter. I have a point to make. I have made it. I have listened and learned from the strong response. That is all that interests me in the thread..

Of course the bullies will keep validating each other. That is what bullies do. It is all they have. They aren’t really alking to me. They are just reassuring each other. I’m only reading posts that clearly make a straightforward point like the one above. . If I miss some good posts as a result, apologies.

“I’ve sometimes used ‘peak gender’. It’s more accurate. It isn’t that I’ve had enough of transpeople, I have a lot of time for GNC folk of all stripes. I’ve had enough of gender.”

Yes, I get that. Thanks for replying.

I guess words are like medicine. Powerful but you have to keep an eye on the side effects.

Off to work. Have a good day everyone.

gentleman (nice username btw) Long rude posts don’t get read by me I’m afraid! actually if you had read it, you would know that it wasn't at all rude, it was an articulate, well thought out explanation (thanks mogle) which I have personally just book marked so I can use it to explain the issues to my friends in the hopes they join me up here at the PEAK

(Sorry off topic) what’s thought to be wrong with using ‘climate change denier’ as a descriptor?
Isnt it just used to describe people who deny the existence of climate change?

hi chatty,

again, it had a history. It came from the phrase "holocaust denier". So there were all these horrible connotations that some people knew about, others didn't, and many inbetween had a vague awareness of, but it sounded like a terrible attack and the public (maybe rightly) withdrew its support and became indifferent.
ordinary people felt like they were being accused of being Nazis... not a good campaigning idea in retrospect.

thanks expat.

I have found it very useful over the years to learn to ignore posts that begin with expressions like
"have you never heard of a [insert something that everyone has obviously heard of]"
"are you serious"
"eh"
"are you on drugs?"
"are you Jeremy Hunt"
etc, etc, ad nauseum

It usually works well for me. If someone wants to communicate, they don't strart with a face-slap.

what’s thought to be wrong with using ‘climate change denier’ as a descriptor?
Isnt it just used to describe people who deny the existence of climate change? confused
Some people spend vast amounts of time and energy trying to find the exact right way to say a thing that will preclude objection or criticism. The fact that it is not possible does not prevent them from trying to control the narrative. This is an example of that effort.

I have already answered that question.

This is the feminist chat on the Mumsnet forum and not your personal blog. Simply because you start a conversation does not give you ownership of it.

Well said.

I peak transed one of my DSils tonight. She is a very intelligent, forthright woman to the point of being scary and was initially saying that sometimes ignorance is bliss, it really only affects the trans community, etc. When I was finished with her she was gobsmacked and went so far over the top of the peak she is never going back. I’ll stick with peak trans.

Ok, that’s fine! I thought (wrongly) the question was addressed to me.

Positively, yes it’s clearly something that works for you in the context you described. It’s not for me, but I’ve put my arguments already.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner

Is it the term peak trans that you object to? Or the concept?

Would trans-saturation work, for instance.

Or trans-overload.

Or if it has the word trans in it, is that the problem?

Tbh, 'peak trans' for me did remotely evoke 'peak oil', which is the first 'peak' anything I can recall. But - a big but - it didn't bother me, because in the meantime I'd already encountered things like 'peak beard' and 'peak quinoa'. And in that sense, it was the meaning of something hip having become so achingly ubiquitous and boring that overrode any sense of environmental urgency.

So I understand OP's concerns, but reckon he's out of touch. OTOH, he's probably in touch with lots of other people who are out of touch.

And I am not a young person.

Which is not, I hope, the way anyone feels about trans people

This is exactly how I feel about trans people.I don't have to like anybody and I definitely don't have to like people who are seeking to do me harm and your tone is like a fucking patronising school teacher.

That was a manipulative statement and I'm certain people were meant to reassure you that Oh No,they don't feel that way about trans people, it's the ideology that's the problem! The trouble with the ideology is that it was created by trans people. It's fair to presume it's a correct representation of their beliefs unless they start proving otherwise.

How other people feel about other people is actually none of your business. I'm done pretending to give a fuck or listen to narcissistic sob fests from people like Littlebird. Bullied at school, so fucking what. Crappy job as a teen ect. Boo hoo princess.

It's the usual manipulative professional victim shit that seems to go hand in hand with many people who label themselves trans.

Come on now, Terfinator, we're not supposed to point out how obvious it is when people are trying to manipulate us. It hurts their feelings when we do that! And then they write another series of essays about how we ought to adjust our language in order to make them more comfortable (and also dilute the point we're trying to make and communicate it less effectively, but let's pretend we didn't notice that bit).

I am at peace with my refusal to perform female socialization on demand like a trained seal bouncing a ball on its nose, and encourage other women to come join me here on team Don't Give A Shit.

I'm team Not A Validation Bank but would happily consider a transfer to Don't Give A Shit.

We should get a league.

The League of Uncooperative Women! I like it.

Highest scorer in a season gets the Golden Pube.