cis is an abusive term

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I don't want to be called a 'cis' nor referred to as 'cis' in any sort of patronising way. Not sure if I really understand but from the way it is bandied about it does not sound good.

I am a woman not a 'cis'

@PipGirl404

pp have pointed out that cis is being used as an insult by trans rights activists. This is an illustration of that.

Do you have anywhere on your body a statement that suggests some people are scum and should die?

I find cis to be a term of sexist abuse. It declares that I agree with sexist stereotypes and I experience oppression because that is the natural order.
Just say I have a ladybrain, embrace the double shift & was asking for every incident of sexual harassment I have experienced and be done with it!
People who use cis - stop pretending to be smart, educated and progressive because one's support for such a regressive ideology would suggest that one is not.

Yes i find cis offensive. I am not an isomer.

PipGirl404 i feel all proud of you hope you found .

Datun i really admire both your eloquence & patience (in having the same conversations)

I too feel offended by being labelled. I am not a cis woman, I am a woman and as I woman I feel less and less heard by those who insist we must accept men identifying as women into our personal and safe spaces.

I actually let out a contented sigh, when I got to the end of this thread, at the thought of the wonderful young woman, Pip, who came, questioned and, with an open mind, read and digested what was written. So unlike the ploppers, who just scream how horrible we all are, take another swallow of the Kool Aid, and continue in their belief of the magic sex changing fairy.

Agree PERF. It’s quite refreshing to see there are still open minds and people wanting to understand.

On a different note I really hope HQ are reading this thread and see how many are offended by “cis”

My concern about pushing for cis to be banned, new posters, won’t be aware of what is behind it and will accept it in their day to day life. By not deleting those posts, we can help others, like Pip, understand the obscene reasons why it’s being pushed onto women. Much as I hate the word, we shouldn’t end up like TRAs and their *nodebate cowardly tag.

I do understand that point. However I don’t see that approach being taken with disablist or racist language.

I’d like to think that most people are aware that disablist or racist language is unacceptable, but this is about people like Pip, who don’t realise it’s unacceptable, especially when you read about a previous poster being made to accept it or fail their course/training.

I dont have a ginormous problem with cis

Not overly fussed about banning it

But i think TERF should be banned

I have a new term for the so called liberal feminist women who are pushing this transgender:

Transmaidens!

I too hate the word 'cis' and find it offensive, for all the reasons already given by pp.

Destinysdaughter that’s brilliant. It’s also made me think how it’s funny how offended they are when called handmaidens, yet say trans critical (sensible) women are over reacting to being called ‘cis’. Transmaiden actually makes more sense than cis.

That’s a good point PERF. We aren’t as far down the trans enlightenment road as we are down the racism and disablism awareness road.

I think if MN would agree to delete posts directed at a specific poster or poster like “you are ciswoman, accept it” then I would be happier to accept the term cis being used in general discussion. Eg “there are ciswomen and transwomen”

I would definitely be on board with that, DonnyAndVladSittingInATree, and the banning of the ‘you’re all terfs’ too.

Congratulations to everyone involved in PipGirls peak transing, particularly to Pip herself! A live TERFing - joyous

Probably worth bearing in mind that the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. Be prepared to do a lot of RRRRAAAAARRRGHHHHHHing.

SophoclesTheFox I still get a warm glow when I think of watching the realisation hit one of my boy’s female friends, as I was talking to her about it. The sad thing is the fact that she feels that she can’t discuss it with her friends, for fear of being bullied.

And as for "cis" - nope. Won't have it applied to me. Before I was TERFed, this was one of the chinks that opened my mind up to let the light in. Someone told me that I was a cis woman, because my "gender identity" (sic) aligns with my "assigned sex" (sic again). I looked around for my gender identity and couldn't find one. All I could find was my sex, and that I felt like a person. Ought I to have a womanly gender identity? Was it really true that I only wasn't generally aware of it because I was so completely comfortable and happy with being a woman?

"Hang on on a minute", I thought; "Isn't that just a clever-clever way of saying that I'm happy with my lady brain? Isn't that...ferociously fucking sexist?"

Cue sound of scales falling, directions to Damscus appearing on the satnav, pennies dropping etc etc.

Bittersweet, that one, PERF

PositivelyPERF

Thanks! I do love the English language and how flexible it is.

< takes a bow >

< takes a bow > grin throws flowers 💐 🌷 🌹

Agree - there is no modifier to the word 'woman' required. I refuse to accept this term 'cis'.

It's an extremely silly term.

How could anyone know enough about the "soul" of another (for that's essentially what users of thus word are making claims about) to make such a judgement.

It also requires you either do or do not conform (.. why not a % scale ?!) to someone's (..who is to be this authority?) definition of "gender" roles which if it they are social constructs will vary geographically as well as through historical time.

Even within my lifetime the mainstream social behaviours exhibited by women and men have changed. My parents generation "cis - ness" would be different from their grandkids.

Tis all a piece of nonsense for the hard of thinking.

If it gets on to the curriculum at my kids school I'll be complaining loudly.

This is such an amazing thread. Well done, everyone, and particularly to Pip. It’s not easy when you first realise what the heck is going on.

The meaning of cis
denoting or relating to a molecular structure in which two particular atoms or groups lie on the same side of a given plane in the molecule, in particular denoting an isomer in which substituents at opposite ends of a carbon–carbon double bond are on the same side of the bond.